Sam in Valinor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Letty · 05-30-2006, 09:02 PM

Sam joined Frodo in Valinor,right?

narfforc · 05-30-2006, 09:12 PM

Not exactly, The Ringbearers were allowed to go to Tol Eressea the island just off the coast of Aman.

ninja91 · 05-31-2006, 05:31 AM

I think I remember reading something about Sam going over the seas to join Frodo in the Undying Lands. Are you sure he didnt meet him in Valinor?

Selmo · 05-31-2006, 05:55 AM

The island of Tol Eressea is as much a part of the Undying Lands as the rest of Aman, including Valinor, is. It is where, after Morgoth's downfall, the Elves coming from Middle Earth settled.

It is my understaning that the Elves of Tol Eressea remained there by choice; I have not heard it said that they were barred from visiting their kin on the mainland of Aman. It is likely that Bilbo, Frodo and Sam, having settled with the Elves they knew, would have visited Valinor, if only to see Gandalf again, who I'm sure would not remain on Tol Eressea for long.
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Guinevere · 05-31-2006, 01:24 PM

Perhaps this older thread about the same topic might interest you, Letty!

Sam's final journey

Letty · 06-06-2006, 12:52 PM

And yet I want to believe that Sam and Frodo found each other again before the end. It would be so unfair if they didn`t...

Raynor · 06-07-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Guinevere

Perhaps this older thread about the same topic might interest you, Letty!

Sam's final journey

Interestingly enough, Tolkien wrote, as early as 1944 (about ten years before the official publication) that he intended for Sam to remain in Middle-Earth.

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Originally Posted by letter #93

The book will prob. end up with Sam. Frodo will naturally become too ennobled and rarefied by the achievement of the great Quest, and will pass West with all the great figures; but S. will settle down to the Shire and gardens and inns.

05-30-2006, 09:02 PM	#1
Letty Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 48	Sam in Valinor Sam joined Frodo in Valinor,right? __________________ Ash to ash Dust to dust Fade to black I will have my vengeance-in this life or the next

05-30-2006, 09:12 PM	#2
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	Not exactly, The Ringbearers were allowed to go to Tol Eressea the island just off the coast of Aman. __________________ [B]THE LORD OF THE GRINS:THE ONE PARODY....A PARODY BETTER THAN THE RINGS OF POWER.

05-31-2006, 01:24 PM	#5
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Perhaps this older thread about the same topic might interest you, Letty! Sam's final journey __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

06-06-2006, 12:52 PM	#6
Letty Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 48	And yet I want to believe that Sam and Frodo found each other again before the end. It would be so unfair if they didn`t... __________________ Ash to ash Dust to dust Fade to black I will have my vengeance-in this life or the next

05-31-2006, 05:55 AM	#4
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	The island of Tol Eressea is as much a part of the Undying Lands as the rest of Aman, including Valinor, is. It is where, after Morgoth's downfall, the Elves coming from Middle Earth settled. It is my understaning that the Elves of Tol Eressea remained there by choice; I have not heard it said that they were barred from visiting their kin on the mainland of Aman. It is likely that Bilbo, Frodo and Sam, having settled with the Elves they knew, would have visited Valinor, if only to see Gandalf again, who I'm sure would not remain on Tol Eressea for long. .