What was the power the ELESSAR had? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iarhen · 03-07-2003, 09:50 AM

I know it was given to Galadriel by Mithrandir when he came from Valinor.

Then, Galadriel gave it to Aragorn (or to Arwen, and she to Aragorn?)

But what was the power the stone had? Did it gave Aragorn the luck he had in battle? OR WHAT?

Meoshi · 03-07-2003, 10:46 AM

I think it was just a token of his status as an Elf-friend.

Mornie Alantie · 03-07-2003, 11:16 AM

[color=/green]It was the Elfstone that was either made by
1. Celebrimbor in Nagothrond
2. The guy who taught Celembrimbor in Gondolin.

It was an elvish thing so it basically didn't have power, but was in a very small way like the three elven rings(this is from unfinished tales.) very small way it gave a kinda enlightenment.[/color]

Lets see If i remember how to do color.

Burzdol · 03-07-2003, 02:05 PM

I agree that it was just a token of appretiation. Each was given to a friend[or in Arwen's case, a lover.]

~Burzdol~

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-07-2003, 02:11 PM

"Laws and Customs" HoME 10, tells us that the mother of the bride gace a present to the groom. With Celebrian missing, Galadriel gave the customary present to Aragorn the 'groom' of Arwen.

In U.T, the Ellesar of Enerdil was able ot help to heal the havens of Sirion, so it may have healing properties, though there are two diffrent 'Ellesars', or rather two different stories on it.

Adanadhel · 03-09-2003, 07:46 PM

The two stories about the origin of the Elessar:

1. Gandalf broguht it back from the West.
2. Celebrimbor made another Elessar for Galadriel, simialr to the one Earendil brought to the West.

Either way, the Elessar is described in UT (*) as being an extraordinarily powerful artifact - just behind the three elven rings in potency. Specifically, Celebrimbor says that it was his greatest work "save the three rings only". This would make it greater than the seven or the nine. Not only did Earnedil use it to heal the many men and elves in Sirion, it also made the entire region "green and fair".

In one of the stories of the Elessar, Galadriel uses it to sustain Lorien when she can't use her elven ring.

A further analysis of LoTR shows that Tolkien indeed kept subtle hints to the power of the Elessar. Any time Aragorn wears it in the open he is transformed. In the seen where the fellowship splits in RoTK, "Many Partings", as the party turns for one last look at Aragorn, he holds the Elessar aloft "and there came a green fire from his hand".

It may even have been the source of his healing powers in Minas Tirith. He ssems to have the power to heal wounds that once were beyond him.

The Elessar is no trinket.

*please see Unfinished Tales, "History of Galadriel and Celeborn", sub-chapter "The Elessar".

[ March 09, 2003: Message edited by: Adanadhel ]

Morgoth Bauglir · 03-09-2003, 08:56 PM

hey i havent been here for a while!! the elessar was just a token of his kingship i think, didnt a queen in Numenore wear one long ago?

and if im not mistaken, it was the elendilmir that healed things, right?

its been a while since ive read my tolkien, im ashamed!finished BoLT P1 and im gonna buy p2, but havent got around to it yet. so chances are...im wrong cause i dont remember [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

[ March 09, 2003: Message edited by: Morgoth Bauglir ]

Adanadhel · 03-09-2003, 09:42 PM

ummmmm, no Morgoth... please see my post above.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-10-2003, 08:57 AM

Quote:

didn't a queen in Numenor wear one long ago

That was Silamrien, the ancestress of the Lords of the Anduine, of who came Amadnil, and the Godnorian/Arnorian kings.

She wore the Elendilmir (If I spelt that wrong correctme, I don't have the books with me) , which was lost with Isildur, when he was shot down by Orc Arrows, but it was later found in a chamber of Saruman in Orthanc.

Lostgaeriel · 03-20-2003, 10:54 PM

Here's a link to a previous thread about the Elessar.

Aragorn’s Elfstone

Silmarien · 03-21-2003, 08:25 PM

Yes Silmarien [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] wore the Elendilmir and it then became the symbol of the Lords of Andunie it was lost when Isildur fell into the river. Another Elendilmir was made in Imladris for the kings of Arnor and the Cheiftains of the Dunedain. It was later discover in Orthanc along with a number of other treasures that he'd 'found'.

03-07-2003, 09:50 AM	#1
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	What was the power the ELESSAR had? I know it was given to Galadriel by Mithrandir when he came from Valinor. Then, Galadriel gave it to Aragorn (or to Arwen, and she to Aragorn?) But what was the power the stone had? Did it gave Aragorn the luck he had in battle? OR WHAT? __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

03-07-2003, 11:16 AM	#3
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	[color=/green]It was the Elfstone that was either made by 1. Celebrimbor in Nagothrond 2. The guy who taught Celembrimbor in Gondolin. It was an elvish thing so it basically didn't have power, but was in a very small way like the three elven rings(this is from unfinished tales.) very small way it gave a kinda enlightenment.[/color] Lets see If i remember how to do color. __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

03-07-2003, 02:05 PM	#4
Burzdol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Fair City of Rivendell Posts: 274	I agree that it was just a token of appretiation. Each was given to a friend[or in Arwen's case, a lover.] ~Burzdol~ __________________ "Kill them all for all I care. You just keep that bow away from me!"

03-07-2003, 02:11 PM	#5
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	"Laws and Customs" HoME 10, tells us that the mother of the bride gace a present to the groom. With Celebrian missing, Galadriel gave the customary present to Aragorn the 'groom' of Arwen. In U.T, the Ellesar of Enerdil was able ot help to heal the havens of Sirion, so it may have healing properties, though there are two diffrent 'Ellesars', or rather two different stories on it. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-09-2003, 07:46 PM	#6
Adanadhel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New England Posts: 35	The two stories about the origin of the Elessar: 1. Gandalf broguht it back from the West. 2. Celebrimbor made another Elessar for Galadriel, simialr to the one Earendil brought to the West. Either way, the Elessar is described in UT () as being an extraordinarily powerful artifact - just behind the three elven rings in potency. Specifically, Celebrimbor says that it was his greatest work "save the three rings only". This would make it greater than the seven or the nine. Not only did Earnedil use it to heal the many men and elves in Sirion, it also made the entire region "green and fair". In one of the stories of the Elessar, Galadriel uses it to sustain Lorien when she can't use her elven ring. A further analysis of LoTR shows that Tolkien indeed kept subtle hints to the power of the Elessar. Any time Aragorn wears it in the open he is transformed. In the seen where the fellowship splits in RoTK, "Many Partings", as the party turns for one last look at Aragorn, he holds the Elessar aloft "and there came a green fire from his hand". It may even have been the source of his healing powers in Minas Tirith. He ssems to have the power to heal wounds that once were beyond him. The Elessar is no trinket. please see Unfinished Tales, "History of Galadriel and Celeborn", sub-chapter "The Elessar". [ March 09, 2003: Message edited by: Adanadhel ] __________________ I don't feel safe in Middle Earth no more... I don't want to die in the ruling ring war... I want to sail away to a distant shore... and make like an ELF man

03-07-2003, 10:46 AM	#2
Meoshi Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atop the peak of Kalormë Posts: 163	I think it was just a token of his status as an Elf-friend.

03-09-2003, 08:56 PM	#7
Morgoth Bauglir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 252	hey i havent been here for a while!! the elessar was just a token of his kingship i think, didnt a queen in Numenore wear one long ago? and if im not mistaken, it was the elendilmir that healed things, right? its been a while since ive read my tolkien, im ashamed!finished BoLT P1 and im gonna buy p2, but havent got around to it yet. so chances are...im wrong cause i dont remember [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [ March 09, 2003: Message edited by: Morgoth Bauglir ]

03-09-2003, 09:42 PM	#8
Adanadhel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New England Posts: 35	ummmmm, no Morgoth... please see my post above. __________________ I don't feel safe in Middle Earth no more... I don't want to die in the ruling ring war... I want to sail away to a distant shore... and make like an ELF man

03-20-2003, 10:54 PM	#10
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	Here's a link to a previous thread about the Elessar. Aragorn’s Elfstone __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

03-21-2003, 08:25 PM	#11
Silmarien Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lost but Found Posts: 199	Yes Silmarien [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] wore the Elendilmir and it then became the symbol of the Lords of Andunie it was lost when Isildur fell into the river. Another Elendilmir was made in Imladris for the kings of Arnor and the Cheiftains of the Dunedain. It was later discover in Orthanc along with a number of other treasures that he'd 'found'. __________________ Though here at journeys end I lie in dakness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell:I will not say the Day is done nor bid the Stars farewell!