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10-27-2006, 05:02 PM | #1 |
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oldest person in middle earth
or oldest elf i guess...at the time of the end of the third age.
wouldnt it be galadriel? |
10-28-2006, 12:07 AM | #3 |
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Mormegil is correct, Cirdan took part in the westward journey of the Elves, and was amongst those who searched longest for Elwe. Finarfin being the son of Finwe was born in the Blessed Realm along with his own daughter Galadriel, somewhat later.
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10-28-2006, 08:15 AM | #4 |
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Right, best to keep it to elves, as factoring in Treebeard and Bombadil raises that other thorny question.
I don't think anyone has ever asked how old Goldberry is. Since she has some power to control the weather, one would think she is belongs to the earlier characters who shaped Arda, although obviously her mother would be older than her. No time travelling confusions here!
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10-28-2006, 12:34 PM | #6 |
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Glorfindel, I read somewhere, was reincarnated. He died in the wars of Gondolin.
So he must be older than the wars of Gondolin. (don't ask me to do the math, I'm not good at it )
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11-30-2006, 10:28 AM | #7 | |
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Yep, Yavanna, Cirdan does have a beard:
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11-30-2006, 12:00 PM | #9 |
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Just because a Mrs Cirdan isn't mentioned doesn't mean she definitely didn't exist though. Mrs Thranduil isn't mentioned but she must have existed. Since Tolkien says that marriage early in life was the norm for elves, there celarly wasn't the imbalance in the genders as occurred with dwarves - though if you look at the extant elvish geanealogies you would think that the gender imbalance was even greater among elves than the dwarves ..... alas for the unwritten history of women ....
As for kinship - the Valar were unborn yet were still regarded as having siblings who were coeval in spirit. It is not impossible that a similar attitude was taken with the first elves...
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11-30-2006, 12:52 PM | #10 |
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Just as Yavanna and Manwe had a special relationship separate from Yavanna's relationship with Aule, perhaps Mrs. Cirdan and Celeborn had one also, which would explain her absence from The Grey Havens at the fateful time of the famous departure. I don't think there's any question, though, that a Mrs. Cirdan sported a beard.
Frankly, I sometimes wonder if those blue wizards who went east weren't clothed in female robes. Another reason why their story is untold.
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01-14-2011, 07:29 AM | #11 |
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Arguably Bombadil.
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01-14-2011, 07:36 AM | #12 |
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It cannot be Tom Bombadil.
We only have his ramblings about being the eldest and remembering the first raindrops to support the theory, which is a shaky foundation at best. Also we don't even know what he is. . . if he is a deity does he still count as a person? At least we know something about Cirdan. |
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01-14-2011, 02:42 PM | #14 |
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Since we don't know who/what "is" Bombadil, we can't really place him anywhere on the timeline. I remember reading somewhere in The Sil that the Ents appeared around the same time as Elves were born, which would make Treebeard one of the oldest (if you count him as a person). Cirdan is definitely the oldest Elf. If we count ainur to be "people", they are older than all the rest, except for Eru.
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