Cast those "Other" Characters - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kransha · 02-29-2004, 06:24 PM

Alright, there are plenty of threads about how Tom Bombadil and Glorfindel and others were left out of the trilogy, but I was wondering something else. Go beyond editing these characters into the movie. If they were in there, who would play them? There are threads about who would play ol' Bombadillo, but what about the numerous others?

-Erkenbrand
-Imrahil
-Bergil
-Glorfindel
-Otho Sackville-Baggins
-Ted sandyman
-Goldberry
-Tom Bombadil, of course
-Dunhere
-Fatty Bolger
etcetera,

Some parts are small, but many have a larger part to play. Compared to the screen time Saruman was reduced to, many of these would count as major parts if put back into the movie. Who could do these Forgotten Favorites justice?

Kidd2323 · 03-01-2004, 05:35 AM

He's probably way too tall but for Fatty Bolger I would pick Ethan Suplee of American History X, Remember the Titans, and The Butterfly Effect fame.

Aethelwine · 03-01-2004, 08:09 AM

Actually, Kransha, Glorfindel was in ROTK...

Look here

Navaer!

Aethelwine.

Keeper of Dol Guldur · 03-01-2004, 09:59 AM

So in fact, was our good Prince of Dol Amroth, Imrahil. Nothing compared to what he was in the book, Imrahil is one of the only Gondorian knights in the movie to talk directly to Gandalf. He's a very fair-haired chap with some stubble and a twinge of an amish-style beard, and his banner is there with him in a few scenes like the coronation and probably in places we'll find when the DVD is released, or upon many, many theater runs.

Oh and for my money, I'd want PJ to get the ultimate cameo and play old Bombadillo himself.

Noxomanus · 03-01-2004, 11:33 AM

Perhaps PJ could have been Radagast as well. Or perhaps,they could have given Sean Connery a (small) role after all! But Radagast seems to be a dreamer while Connery looks stern and stuff...I don't know,just a suggestion.

The Only Real Estel · 03-03-2004, 08:34 PM

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Or perhaps,they could have given Sean Connery a (small) role after all! But Radagast seems to be a dreamer while Connery looks stern and stuff...I don't know,just a suggestion.

A little pricey for such a smallish role, don't you think?

I'm suprised we didn't see PJ as Barliman or somethin...he could've played Fatty Bolger, but then he'd have to shave his beard

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Wow, it's more fun to speculate who PJ could've played than it is to cast real actors for real roles (mainly because I can't think of enough that would fit in lotr)

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the real findorfin · 03-04-2004, 05:11 PM

Ted Sandyman and Otho Sackville-Baggins were cast and made appearances. Ted in the Green Dragon and Otho in the Party scenes.

The Perky Ent · 03-04-2004, 05:33 PM

Also, a Cirdan would be cool! Did they cast a Cirdan? If they did, i don't know anything about it!

Keeper of Dol Guldur · 03-04-2004, 05:56 PM

"Three rings for elven kings . . ." let's not forget the Fellowship of the Rings prologue just yet. Cirdan was there, but not back again, as far as any theatrical cuts.

The Perky Ent · 03-04-2004, 06:01 PM

I remember! But i meant in terms of ROTK. Well, actually, i didn't but it would be cool if he actually had a line!

Anarion · 03-08-2004, 12:09 AM

Goldberry- Natasha Henstridge
Bombadil- Russell Crowe

DarkRose · 03-16-2004, 01:45 PM

I wouldn't have imagined Russell Crowe a Bombadil, Anarion!

He seems too serious.

I think Robin Williams might be interesting as Bombadil.

Anarion · 03-26-2004, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkRose

I wouldn't have imagined Russell Crowe a Bombadil, Anarion!

He seems too serious.

I think Robin Williams might be interesting as Bombadil.

Bombadil is regarded as an outsider by The Council, DARKROSE.
Mr. Williams does what's known as "character acting", very often satirical.
Russell Crowe has played outsiders in every role so far, except for the film The Insider, in which he plays a renegade of that stereotype.
He's a logical choice, or else Bombadil might seem comic.

Garulf · 03-28-2004, 12:29 PM

This was a big surprise for me, but I read in a magazine that Russell Crowe was one of the original candidates to play Aragorn! That would have been really weird partly because the fact that all of the actors are relatively unknown (to me) makes it all the more believable. Viggo is better, if only because it allowed Crowe to make Master and Commander (which is pretty good)

Anarion · 03-28-2004, 01:08 PM

Russell Crowe is also a native New Zealander.. LOTR there was filmed.

Failivrin · 03-28-2004, 02:36 PM

I thought Russell Crowe was Australian?

YES! Jude Law as Thranduil! That is one piece of inspired casting, Cibbwin!

For seom reason i see Gerard Butler as Beorn, but i'm not sure about it yet.

I think Romola Garai would make a rather good Goldberry, actually.

Failivrin · 03-16-2004, 02:56 PM

Jake Gyllenhaal as Imrahil, perhaps? I would say Jared Leto, but i'm not sure about him yet.

Goldberry: Jennifer Connelly. i'm in love with her, i think she's a fantastic actress. or Vanessa Paradis just because she's beautiful. WINONA RYDER!

Kidd2323 · 03-16-2004, 08:48 PM

Robin Williams as Bombadil!!!

Excellent casting idea, DarkRose!!!

How about Vern Troyer (Mini-Me) as Nob & Bob, the hobbit helpers at the Prancing Pony in Bree?

Heather Graham strikes me as a vision of Goldberry.

Oh, and Howard Stern could play Bill the Pony!

Beanamir of Gondor · 03-17-2004, 01:19 PM

You guys know this but PJ was in Bree- the fat hairy guy grunting over the carrot.

And Glorfindel is all Heath Ledger. Could you see that hottie carrying Faramir back into Minas Tirith on his horse?

Kidd2323 · 03-17-2004, 01:32 PM

I thought Prince Imrahil carried Faramir back into Minas Tirith, not Glorfindel?!?!?

Beanamir of Gondor · 03-18-2004, 07:41 AM

ACK! I did say Glorfindel, didn't I! *wails in shame*

I meant Imrahil- really I'm not that dumb! Imrahil, Faramir's uncle. Imrahil, Eomer's father-in-law. Imrahil, the only one who knew what he was doing on the Pelennor Fields.

I'm going to leave that other message unedited just so everyone knows how dumb I am.

ACK! Imrahil is Boromir's uncle! *wails again*

Meela · 03-21-2004, 07:41 AM

I have a specific image of Imrahil in my head, but I can't place an actor to it...

I think someone along the lines of Guillaume Canet, only less French. And I think I misspelled Guillaume... it's been a while since I saw the name.

I like the idea of Natasha Henstridge as Goldberry.

Actually, I think I imagined the G. Canet type as Iorlas, who I devoutly wish had been present.

I saw some little kid leant against the wall of the city, wearing a yellowish hat. If he was supposed to be Bergil, super. If he wasn't, he'd be fine for the role.

Failivrin · 03-21-2004, 03:53 PM

I see someone like Kathy Bates as Ioreth.

Lord of Angmar · 03-21-2004, 07:40 PM

I myself would have chosen Kate Hudson for the part of Goldberry, though I cannot for the life of me think of who I would cast as Bombadil. I shall just stick with my opinion that Peter Jackson was right in not including old Tom, jolly as he is. Robin Williams would have been funny, to be sure, but he certainly would not have meshed well with the atmosphere of the first film. I like picturing Bombadil in my own way, and I don't think any actor could ever capture him for me.

I'm not sure why, but I have been picturing Paddy Considine as Eomer recently... perhaps he would have made a good Erkenbrand, assuming he could pull off the proper accent.

Well, there's my slim contribution to the topic, take it or leave it.

(honestly, must the pipe-smoking smiley face really come with sunglasses? It seems rather silly.)

Cibbwin · 03-21-2004, 07:51 PM

Although this is more for The Hobbit, Jude Law as Thranduil. That would be a PERFECT cast.

Orli was a good Legs, but if Jude Law WAS Thranduil, than Ian Somerhalder would make a good Legolas.

02-29-2004, 06:24 PM	#1
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	Cast those "Other" Characters Alright, there are plenty of threads about how Tom Bombadil and Glorfindel and others were left out of the trilogy, but I was wondering something else. Go beyond editing these characters into the movie. If they were in there, who would play them? There are threads about who would play ol' Bombadillo, but what about the numerous others? -Erkenbrand -Imrahil -Bergil -Glorfindel -Otho Sackville-Baggins -Ted sandyman -Goldberry -Tom Bombadil, of course -Dunhere -Fatty Bolger etcetera, Some parts are small, but many have a larger part to play. Compared to the screen time Saruman was reduced to, many of these would count as major parts if put back into the movie. Who could do these Forgotten Favorites justice? __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

03-01-2004, 05:35 AM	#2
Kidd2323 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 44	He's probably way too tall but for Fatty Bolger I would pick Ethan Suplee of American History X, Remember the Titans, and The Butterfly Effect fame. __________________ "I wish I could go all the way with you to Rivendell, Mr. Frodo, and see Mr. Bilbo," said Sam. "And yet the only place I really want to be in is here. I am that torn in two." "Poor Sam! It will feel like that, I am afraid. " said Frodo. "But you will be healed. You were meant to be solid and whole, and you will be."

03-01-2004, 08:09 AM	#3
Aethelwine Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In Anórien, just outside Edoras, on a horse I "borrowed"... Posts: 150	Actually, Kransha, Glorfindel was in ROTK... Look here Navaer! Aethelwine. __________________ Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind--not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being. - Catherine to Nelly, Wuthering Heights

03-01-2004, 09:59 AM	#4
Keeper of Dol Guldur Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 315, CNY Boys and girls. Posts: 405	So in fact, was our good Prince of Dol Amroth, Imrahil. Nothing compared to what he was in the book, Imrahil is one of the only Gondorian knights in the movie to talk directly to Gandalf. He's a very fair-haired chap with some stubble and a twinge of an amish-style beard, and his banner is there with him in a few scenes like the coronation and probably in places we'll find when the DVD is released, or upon many, many theater runs. Oh and for my money, I'd want PJ to get the ultimate cameo and play old Bombadillo himself. __________________ "I come from yonder...Have you seen Baggins? Baggins has left, he is coming. He is not far away. I wish to find him. If he passes will you tell me? I will come back with gold." - Khamul the Easterling

03-01-2004, 11:33 AM	#5
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	Perhaps PJ could have been Radagast as well. Or perhaps,they could have given Sean Connery a (small) role after all! But Radagast seems to be a dreamer while Connery looks stern and stuff...I don't know,just a suggestion. __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

03-04-2004, 05:11 PM	#7
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Ted Sandyman and Otho Sackville-Baggins were cast and made appearances. Ted in the Green Dragon and Otho in the Party scenes. __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

03-04-2004, 05:33 PM	#8
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Also, a Cirdan would be cool! Did they cast a Cirdan? If they did, i don't know anything about it! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-04-2004, 05:56 PM	#9
Keeper of Dol Guldur Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 315, CNY Boys and girls. Posts: 405	Cirdan "Three rings for elven kings . . ." let's not forget the Fellowship of the Rings prologue just yet. Cirdan was there, but not back again, as far as any theatrical cuts. __________________ "I come from yonder...Have you seen Baggins? Baggins has left, he is coming. He is not far away. I wish to find him. If he passes will you tell me? I will come back with gold." - Khamul the Easterling

03-04-2004, 06:01 PM	#10
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Oh yeaaaaaaah! I remember! But i meant in terms of ROTK. Well, actually, i didn't but it would be cool if he actually had a line! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-08-2004, 12:09 AM	#11
Anarion Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at sea Posts: 27	Goldberry- Natasha Henstridge Bombadil- Russell Crowe

03-16-2004, 01:45 PM	#12
DarkRose Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sauron's Garden Posts: 157	I wouldn't have imagined Russell Crowe a Bombadil, Anarion! He seems too serious. I think Robin Williams might be interesting as Bombadil. __________________ "All rivers go to the sea, yet never does the sea become full."

03-28-2004, 12:29 PM	#14
Garulf Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rohan Posts: 15	This was a big surprise for me, but I read in a magazine that Russell Crowe was one of the original candidates to play Aragorn! That would have been really weird partly because the fact that all of the actors are relatively unknown (to me) makes it all the more believable. Viggo is better, if only because it allowed Crowe to make Master and Commander (which is pretty good) __________________ "Hasufel is his name," said Eomer."May he bear you well and to better fortune than Garulf, his late master!"

03-28-2004, 01:08 PM	#15
Anarion Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at sea Posts: 27	Russell Crowe is also a native New Zealander.. LOTR there was filmed.

03-28-2004, 02:36 PM	#16
Failivrin Wight Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: England Posts: 201	I thought Russell Crowe was Australian? YES! Jude Law as Thranduil! That is one piece of inspired casting, Cibbwin! For seom reason i see Gerard Butler as Beorn, but i'm not sure about it yet. I think Romola Garai would make a rather good Goldberry, actually. __________________ no one in particular

03-16-2004, 02:56 PM	#17
Failivrin Wight Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: England Posts: 201	Jake Gyllenhaal as Imrahil, perhaps? I would say Jared Leto, but i'm not sure about him yet. Goldberry: Jennifer Connelly. i'm in love with her, i think she's a fantastic actress. or Vanessa Paradis just because she's beautiful. WINONA RYDER! __________________ no one in particular

03-16-2004, 08:48 PM	#18
Kidd2323 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 44	Robin Williams as Bombadil!!! Excellent casting idea, DarkRose!!! How about Vern Troyer (Mini-Me) as Nob & Bob, the hobbit helpers at the Prancing Pony in Bree? Heather Graham strikes me as a vision of Goldberry. Oh, and Howard Stern could play Bill the Pony! __________________ "I wish I could go all the way with you to Rivendell, Mr. Frodo, and see Mr. Bilbo," said Sam. "And yet the only place I really want to be in is here. I am that torn in two." "Poor Sam! It will feel like that, I am afraid. " said Frodo. "But you will be healed. You were meant to be solid and whole, and you will be."

03-17-2004, 01:19 PM	#19
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	You guys know this but PJ was in Bree- the fat hairy guy grunting over the carrot. And Glorfindel is all Heath Ledger. Could you see that hottie carrying Faramir back into Minas Tirith on his horse? __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

03-17-2004, 01:32 PM	#20
Kidd2323 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 44	I thought Prince Imrahil carried Faramir back into Minas Tirith, not Glorfindel?!?!? __________________ "I wish I could go all the way with you to Rivendell, Mr. Frodo, and see Mr. Bilbo," said Sam. "And yet the only place I really want to be in is here. I am that torn in two." "Poor Sam! It will feel like that, I am afraid. " said Frodo. "But you will be healed. You were meant to be solid and whole, and you will be."

03-18-2004, 07:41 AM	#21
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	ACK! I did say Glorfindel, didn't I! wails in shame I meant Imrahil- really I'm not that dumb! Imrahil, Faramir's uncle. Imrahil, Eomer's father-in-law. Imrahil, the only one who knew what he was doing on the Pelennor Fields. I'm going to leave that other message unedited just so everyone knows how dumb I am. ACK! Imrahil is Boromir's uncle! wails again __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

03-21-2004, 07:41 AM	#22
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	I have a specific image of Imrahil in my head, but I can't place an actor to it... I think someone along the lines of Guillaume Canet, only less French. And I think I misspelled Guillaume... it's been a while since I saw the name. I like the idea of Natasha Henstridge as Goldberry. Actually, I think I imagined the G. Canet type as Iorlas, who I devoutly wish had been present. I saw some little kid leant against the wall of the city, wearing a yellowish hat. If he was supposed to be Bergil, super. If he wasn't, he'd be fine for the role. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

03-21-2004, 03:53 PM	#23
Failivrin Wight Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: England Posts: 201	I see someone like Kathy Bates as Ioreth. __________________ no one in particular

03-21-2004, 07:40 PM	#24
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	I myself would have chosen Kate Hudson for the part of Goldberry, though I cannot for the life of me think of who I would cast as Bombadil. I shall just stick with my opinion that Peter Jackson was right in not including old Tom, jolly as he is. Robin Williams would have been funny, to be sure, but he certainly would not have meshed well with the atmosphere of the first film. I like picturing Bombadil in my own way, and I don't think any actor could ever capture him for me. I'm not sure why, but I have been picturing Paddy Considine as Eomer recently... perhaps he would have made a good Erkenbrand, assuming he could pull off the proper accent. Well, there's my slim contribution to the topic, take it or leave it. (honestly, must the pipe-smoking smiley face really come with sunglasses? It seems rather silly.) __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

03-21-2004, 07:51 PM	#25
Cibbwin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 145	Although this is more for The Hobbit, Jude Law as Thranduil. That would be a PERFECT cast. Orli was a good Legs, but if Jude Law WAS Thranduil, than Ian Somerhalder would make a good Legolas. __________________ The Warrior Hobbit Nîn o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen, dan in Ulaer!