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11-02-2010, 12:56 AM | #1 |
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Aragorn and Arwen Are NOT RELATED
Earendil and Elwing gave birth to Elrond and Elros. Elrond, choosing to be of elf-kind, became ruler of the Rivendell and had three children with Celebrian; Elladin, Elrohir, and Arwen. Elros, choosing to be mortal (man-kind), became the first High King of Numenor. But, twenty-five(ish) kings later the throne is corrupted by Ar Pharazon. Because of this, Amandil stepped in and made his son, Elendil, king in a new blood line of kings, since Ar-Pharazon was trapped away forever. Elendil is Isildur's father. And we all know that Aragorn is a descended of Isildur. So NO, contrary to popular belief, Aragorn and Arwen are NOT RELATED!!!! ... Your comments on the subject?
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11-02-2010, 04:33 AM | #3 |
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See where Aragorn's genealogy overlaps with Arwen's. They are distant relatives.
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11-02-2010, 04:46 AM | #4 |
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The mistake in the thesis is that Amandil too was related to Elros.
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11-02-2010, 05:15 AM | #5 |
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I think that Amandil's ancestor was the younger brother of the Numenor king, or something like that.
In a way, Arwen is Aragorn't great (etc) aunt. Aragorn is also related to Galadriel, Turin, and many other people.
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For example, Aragorn is descended from Aranarth, son of Arvedui, the first Chieftain of the Northern Dúnedain, by both his parents--meaning that his parents, Arathorn II and Gilraen, were more closely related than he was to Arwen. As another example, Aranarth himself was the son of two descendants of Elendil: Arvedui from Isildur and Fíriel daughter of Ondoher from Anárion. And those are only the documented cases. Probably, already by the time of Amandil and Elendil, it would have been nigh on impossible, if not totally impossible, for a high nobleman such as the Lord of Andúnië to marry someone who was not a descendant of Elros.. After that many generations on an endogamous island, probably everyone had some touch of Elrosian blood. In fact, the marriage of Valacar of Gondor (an ancestor of Fíriel and thus of Aragorn) to Vidumavi, daughter of Vidugavia the Northman, was quite possibly the ONLY instance in Aragorn's ancestry since the Akallabêth of a forefather marrying a woman who was not a descendant of Elros. And, of course, any descendant of Elros is, de facto a close relative than Arwen, because the shared ancestor is not Elros, but his father Eärendil, who is a step farther back in the family tree. In fact, Éowyn would probably have been a closer relative than Arwen, since her grandmother was Morwen of Lossarnach, who was probably of noble blood and thus almost CERTAINLY a descendant somehow, somewhere, of Elendil--who is a whole Second Age of descent closer in ancestry to Aragorn than Eärendil. It's like the crowned heads of Europe... if we all had as much genealogical information as they do, we would all be finding recurring ancestors.
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Aragorn is a distant desendant of Elros, the first King of Numenor, Elronds brother. Arwen is Elronds daughter so they are related.
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Yes, in much the same way I am related to Moses. Needless to say, I don't think Aragorn and Arwen needed to worry about genetic defects due to a consanguinary marriage.
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Actually, I meant any character over 60 generations removed from the present. One would be as good as the next, genetically speaking.
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