Best Fighter

[Faramir]

I have had many arguments with other people about Aragorn not being the best fighter in lotr so im guessing most of you will say Aragorn is the best fighter so I'll leave him out.

Out of these canidates who is the best fighter??(If ive forgotten somone tell me)

1.Faramir
2.Elrond
3.Gimli
4.Eomer
5.Gamling
6.Pippin
7.Legolas
8.Hama
9.Eowyn
10.Sam
11.Boromir
13.Haldir
14.Merry
15.Gandlaf
16.Witchking
17.Gothmog
18.Madril
19.Theoden
20.Frodo

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Perhaps Gandalf and Witchy are on a different level. Aragorn was arguably a better fighter than all the rest though. I would only give Eomer, Boromir or Faramir a chance against him.

[Formendacil]

Glorfindel has them all beat flat.

Except for Gandalf and the Witchking. Quite frankly, like Aragorn, I would put those two off the list, simply because one's a Maia and the other's a Sauron-enhanced, no-man-can-kill-him, fighting machine...

Of course, judging by the fact that you put Madril on the list, this is movie-based, not book-based. I have no comment there. Comparing one movie fighter to another is too difficult for my untrained eyes.

Or...

wait!

The King of the Dead. Unstoppable.

[Parmawen]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Glorfindel has them all beat flat.

YES!!!! Definitely Glorfindel by far!!!! After all, he helped the company the most, and was able to outride the Ringwraiths. Keeping one's head in the face of danger is a quality important in a fighter.

[Boromir88]

I think we should stick with the original 20 people given at the beginning of the thread. It might just be me but it's a bit unfair comparing balrogs (or ents) to Mortals and smaller races and I think needs to be seperated into their own categories.

[Gil-Galad]

...and again i say there are many ways to be the best fighter, not just brute strength or how many kills...

[the phantom]

Don't discount Elrond. He didn't fight in LOTR, but that does not mean he couldn't fight. He didn't because of the whole healing/killing thing that the elves have (if you kill it diminishes your power to heal).

I'm sure if it came down to it and Elrond had to pick up a sword he would be a force to reckon with. Never leave someone out of your plans when all his genes come from the likes of Fingolfin, Thingol, Hador, and Beren- not to mention an angelic being.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nah, Elrond's a bit too old. A couple of rounds with 'Gorn and he'd need a rest.

[the phantom]

Ha! In elf years he's probably younger than Aragorn.

And do you think it's a coincidence that Hugo W played him? Agent Smith. Only the chosen one, Anakin Skywalker, can defeat Elrond.

(I knew I could pack LOTR, SW, and Matrix into the same post)

[Snorri Swifthammer]

Well, if we look at all of Middle Earth history and discount Valar and Maiar then the strongest fighter, by far, was Feanor. Feanor has the distinction of being the only mortal to fight a Valar in melee combat. Though Feanor fell in that battle, that fact he could stand for even a short time says alot.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Mortal? Valar? You're confusing me Snorri, stop confusing me!

Seriously though, explain.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Snorri Swifthammer

Well, if we look at all of Middle Earth history and discount Valar and Maiar then the strongest fighter, by far, was Feanor. Feanor has the distinction of being the only mortal to fight a Valar in melee combat. Though Feanor fell in that battle, that fact he could stand for even a short time says alot.

What Vala was this?

The only one to fight a Vala that I know of is his half-brother Fingolfin, who faced Morgoth before the gates of Angband.

You must be confusing the two.

But if we are merely counting mortals, then we must eliminate all Elves from the list.

In which case, I herewith nominate Elendil, who half-killed (Gil-galad killed the other half) Sauron, WHILE he was wearing the Ring. The fact that he died himself would appear to be negligible.

[Elonve]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Perhaps Gandalf and Witchy are on a different level. Aragorn was arguably a better fighter than all the rest though. I would only give Eomer, Boromir or Faramir a chance against him.

I totally agree! Eomer was supposed to be quite proficent on the battle feild. Boromir and Faramir too.

If your immortal you can't be "killed". But technically immortals would win....


Anywhooo !

Elly
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[King of the North]

Even Legolas is my favorite character, i would have to say that Gandalf and the Witch King are about tied for 1st place. The question should be what is your favorite character in each category, because it is a given that Gandalf and the Witchking are going to be better fighters than mere mortal men. For those fighters who are not demigods I believe Aragorn is the best.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

A bit of advice for those who have made lists - please tell us why you make your choices. Unfortunately, a list of names is not very interesting for others to read...

[Faramir]

sorry i didnt have much time, ill put more effort in next time.

well.. i think gothmog was pretty good.. he was certainly powerful. gandalf and the witchking as well. only because they have powers beyond the others that you have listed though.

[Anguirel]

It was the same in the book, Faramir. Legolas got 41, Gimli 42. However, we should make note of Legolas' killing of the fell beast with the Bow of Galadriel. I really don't think there's much in it between these two.

While perhaps not the best fighter in LOTR based on textual evidence, I believe Eomer "did the best." His last stand on the Pelennor Fields is my favourite passage in the book (except perhaps for the love scene between Eowyn and Faramir). He is mentioned as having come out of the battle unscathed, as only Aragorn and Imrahil succeeded in doing.

[Gil-Galad]

don't forget about Gil-Galad! even though hes gone to the great haven in the sky, he still took on Sauron, a maia!

[Gwydion]

The best warrior obviously had to be smart and cunning so I'd say it would have to be Gil-Galad, Aragorn, Eowyn and Elindil. Eowyn may not seem that good, but she did kill the Witch-King with a broken arm and not that many people could have done that. Gil-Galad and Elindil killed Sauron while he was wearing the Ring and Aragorn was just smart, quick and strong like all the others.

Boromir was a good commander in Gondor, and he was wise and his sense of duty was strong. I mean look what he did just to try and keep Merry and Pippin safe, most people would turn around and run faced with the odds that were presented at Amon Hen.

So in the original list it's a toss up between Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir, Legolas, and Gimli. Really the possibilities are endless and it depends on your opinion. In reality they all were the best in their particular areas.

[Boromir88]

Faramir or Boromir are the same in my mind, and I would not put Gimli above them. Gimli may have slain 42 in an all night battle, but Boromir slew at least 20 in about two minutes when he was ALONE defending Merry and Pippin.

Excellent point phantom, but I'm having trouble seeing how you think Boromir and Faramir are equal. Faramir is a good fighter, but he's more like his dad, he can fight, but more of a thinker. Where Boromir is the pure fighter. Even in Faramir's mind ("Appendices: The Stewards") none in Gondor could match his brother.

I agree that eventhough Gimli killed 42, Boromir's final stand is impressive. Gimli possibly had more kills, but just the description Pippin gives us really gets us to see Boromir's last stand well...

Then Boromir had come leaping through the trees. He had made them fight. He slew many of them and the rest fled. But they had not gone far on the way back when they were attacked again, by a hundred Orcs at least, some of them very large, and they shot a rain of arrows: always at Boromir. Boromir had blown his great horn till the woods rang, and at first the Orcs had been dismayed and had drawn back; but when no answer but the echoes came, they had attacked more fiercely than ever.

Through this account, Boromir halted the orcs twice, and on the third time they took him. I thought the way PJ did this scene, was good, and suitable to my liking, however he doesn't show well the account Pippin gives. It wasn't just one orc standing back and shooting arrows at Boromir, it was a bunch of orcs and "a rain of arrows: always at Boromir." Ok, my rant is over, on to some of the rankings...

Faramir, I'm having trouble seeing how you can give Legolas and Glorfindel the same ranking? Glorfindel the elf who drove off the Nazgul, the elf who slew a balrog, and he has the same fighting skill as Legolas? Also, I disagree with Gimli being a lesser fighter then Legolas, Gimli did kill more in Helm's deep, and Aragorn commented on his wonderful axemanship (as well as Eomer and Gamling).

TpotSS, I agree I would give Elladan and Elrohir a 9 (if not close to 9). They were just plain out crazy orc hunters, and I believe were called the best orc fighters in the third age (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I'd also agree that 9.4 is suitable for Glorfindel.

[Faramir]

Boromir, I dont know much about Glorfindel, so I gave him points based on what I know of him from FOTR, and everyone has their opinions and mine is that Legolas is just a more skilled fighter than Gimli.

[Boromir88]

I'm not saying any one has to agree with me, I'm simply saying this is what I think and this is why. I think that's what was asked for, to go on and say why you think Legolas is a better fighter then Gimli? I said I don't think so, and here's why....

I disagree with Gimli being a lesser fighter then Legolas, Gimli did kill more in Helm's deep, and Aragorn commented on his wonderful axemanship (as well as Eomer and Gamling).

[Faramir]

I know in the movie Gimli killed one more than legolas at helms deep,in the book what was the killing difference?

(oh ya and i only made it a .5 difference between them, so there virtually tied)

[mormegil]

I would have to agree with Halbarad that Hurin is the greatest mortal warrior ever. He was brave valiant and noble. He was the last to survive the fighting and killed 70 troll guards of Gothmog while crying "Aure Entulava! Day shall come again". And then to top it off for twenty five years or so ( I forget the exact number of years) he was held by Morgoth and he defied him the whole time and never gave in...mentally that's pretty tough.

In the Third Age during the War of the Ring I believe one of the greatest fighter had to be Boromir, just because his battle prowess was displayed of killing many Uruks and because he was wounded by the arrows of the enemies. He was not fighting the orc breeds of Mt.Gundabad or the underground breed of Moria. These were orcs which stood as tall as men, and were more ferocious then the average orc. Put in the valour he fought with in his heart, he was indeed a true warrior. However due to the early time of his death, his future accomplishments and thus further acccountability as a warrior are lost.

[AragornII]

I don't know if anyone has said this, but I think Pippin slaying a troll at the Black Gate is pretty impressive. I mean look at him... he is between four and five feet tall and this troll is huge. Thats got to count for something.

I'd also say either Merry or Eowyn, seeing as how the two of them together put the Witch King out of the picture. That might have involved a bit of luck but hey, everyone gets lucky sometime.

I'm sure that Aragorn is described as the best hunter and the best swordsman of his time and I'd have to agree that he was the mightiest warrior of his time.
Boromir was, I think, better than Faramir in terms of a battle. I'm sure that the recapture of Osgiliath by Gondor was creditied more to Boromir than Faramir, and there is little mention of his 111 day journey to Rivendell for the Council, but the few mentions of it describe it as being a very tough and very dangerous journey to make. I would give him the edge over Faramir.

The last few days, before seeing this thread, I have been thinking about who was the greatest warrior among men. I had made a shortlist of men from the different ages: Barahir, Beren, Hurin, Huor, Turin, Elendil, Isildur, Earnil, Aragorn, Boromir, with a few others like Tuor, Eorl, Faramir, as outsiders.

I personally think that Turin was the mightiest, with Hurin and possibly Aragorn the next in line.

From the original list of the thread, Gandalf and Gothmog were both Maia that were clothed in bodily form while Elrond and the WitchKing were both boosted by rings of power. So they should have an edge over the rest.
Of the rest, I would give Boromir the advantage, for the reasons stated above.

p.s. I have been reading these forums for a while and now I've finally registered and this is my first post. I'm so happy to be a Downer

[Gil-Galad]

What makes a best fighter best? Lust for gold? power? or is it just born best?


there are obviusly many ways to be best, not just how many baddies you can kill, for example, Turgon could be the best fighter because he knew when and when not otattack because he was smart, but Feanor could be the best fighter because he charged recklessly at the enemy.


think about it,

Gil-"The Duke"-Galad