gondors armies vs. rohans - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

dwarfguard · 03-12-2005, 07:15 PM

has anyone noticed in the movies pj portrays rohans armies as far superior in both size and skill than gondors armies?its obvious gondor was larger and a bigger force than rohan in the books.

The Only Real Estel · 03-12-2005, 07:27 PM

Welcome to the Barrowdowns, dwarfguard.

It did seem like the Rohirrim were superior to Gondor, but I'm pretty sure there are several different good threads on this already. This one for sure, at least.

dwarfguard · 03-12-2005, 07:43 PM

thats a good thread, but i'm really referring to the sizes.Theoden said he had 6,000 spears, but even faramirs company was probably 200 to 300 at the most.Even Gandalf in the movie asked Denethor"where are gondors armies"?

Gurthang · 03-13-2005, 07:46 PM

When Gandalf asked "Where are Gondor's armies?" I think he was questioning why they were not on the front. It seemed that Denethor had not sent nearly enough troops to hold Osgiliath. Most of them were probably kept in the city, where they were useless. So Gandalf was really saying "Why are your soldiers hiding in Minas Tirith when that's not where the battle is?"

Boromir88 · 03-13-2005, 08:32 PM

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When Gandalf asked "Where are Gondor's armies?" I think he was questioning why they were not on the front. It seemed that Denethor had not sent nearly enough troops to hold Osgiliath. Most of them were probably kept in the city, where they were useless. So Gandalf was really saying "Why are your soldiers hiding in Minas Tirith when that's not where the battle is?"

I thought of it as totally different. The wonderful section in "Minas Tirith" we see all of Gondor's armies from the outer regions coming in for the defense of the city. I thought of Gandalf's saying as Denethor didn't send out word to come to Minas Tirith and make a stand, basically Gandalf saying "Denethor why didn't you send word for men to come in and fight..." Because right after this Gandalf says "Send word to Theoden of Rohan. You still have friends...etc"

King of the North · 03-23-2005, 05:18 PM

I too really noticed that PJ portrayed Rohan's soldiers as much better fighters than Gondorian warriors. At Helm's Deep Rohan's soldiers put forth their best effort and fought their hardest. The Uruk-Hai only triumphed by shear weight of numbers. It is common for people to fight their hardest when they are in their homeland defending their very existence, a great example in our own world was Berlin 1945.

But if that is the case then it did not apply to Gondor's soldiers. In both Osgiliath and Minas Tirith Gondorian soldiers get totally wamped on by orcs. There are two explanations for why this is. 1st being that Rohan was fighting Uruk-Hai and even though they are incredibly strong, I believe PJ intended for the new orcs in RotK to be even stronger. Therefore both Rohan's and Gondor's armies could be equal in fighting ability, but their foes' skills different. The 2nd possible explanation does not have anything to do with fighting abilities. Throughout FotR and TTT the orcs and uruk-hai get totally pwnzored. Perhaps PJ got tired of the consistent annihilation of the bad guys in the previous two movies and wanted the good guys to die for once. The first time I saw RotK I was kinda glad to see the good guys get wasted for a change. Also, that helped increase the suspense in the last chapter of the sage for those non-readers who had doubts about whether or not Gondor was going to win the war. Even the seemingly invicible Rohan cavalry gets butchered up a bit by the Mumakil. Whenever Rohan charges a field it must use hax or something cuz they are unstoppable. All in all, there is a lot more good guy death in RotK and since Gondor takes the brunt of the action and Rohan does not, Gondor might look like a worse fighting force.

03-12-2005, 07:15 PM	#1
dwarfguard Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17	gondors armies vs. rohans has anyone noticed in the movies pj portrays rohans armies as far superior in both size and skill than gondors armies?its obvious gondor was larger and a bigger force than rohan in the books.

03-13-2005, 07:46 PM	#4
Gurthang Sword of Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Oh, I'm around. Posts: 1,401	When Gandalf asked "Where are Gondor's armies?" I think he was questioning why they were not on the front. It seemed that Denethor had not sent nearly enough troops to hold Osgiliath. Most of them were probably kept in the city, where they were useless. So Gandalf was really saying "Why are your soldiers hiding in Minas Tirith when that's not where the battle is?" __________________ I'm on a Mission from God.

03-23-2005, 05:18 PM	#6
King of the North Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 60	I too really noticed that PJ portrayed Rohan's soldiers as much better fighters than Gondorian warriors. At Helm's Deep Rohan's soldiers put forth their best effort and fought their hardest. The Uruk-Hai only triumphed by shear weight of numbers. It is common for people to fight their hardest when they are in their homeland defending their very existence, a great example in our own world was Berlin 1945. But if that is the case then it did not apply to Gondor's soldiers. In both Osgiliath and Minas Tirith Gondorian soldiers get totally wamped on by orcs. There are two explanations for why this is. 1st being that Rohan was fighting Uruk-Hai and even though they are incredibly strong, I believe PJ intended for the new orcs in RotK to be even stronger. Therefore both Rohan's and Gondor's armies could be equal in fighting ability, but their foes' skills different. The 2nd possible explanation does not have anything to do with fighting abilities. Throughout FotR and TTT the orcs and uruk-hai get totally pwnzored. Perhaps PJ got tired of the consistent annihilation of the bad guys in the previous two movies and wanted the good guys to die for once. The first time I saw RotK I was kinda glad to see the good guys get wasted for a change. Also, that helped increase the suspense in the last chapter of the sage for those non-readers who had doubts about whether or not Gondor was going to win the war. Even the seemingly invicible Rohan cavalry gets butchered up a bit by the Mumakil. Whenever Rohan charges a field it must use hax or something cuz they are unstoppable. All in all, there is a lot more good guy death in RotK and since Gondor takes the brunt of the action and Rohan does not, Gondor might look like a worse fighting force. __________________ Ask for everything, recieve nothing

03-12-2005, 07:27 PM	#2
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Welcome to the Barrowdowns, dwarfguard. It did seem like the Rohirrim were superior to Gondor, but I'm pretty sure there are several different good threads on this already. This one for sure, at least.

03-12-2005, 07:43 PM	#3
dwarfguard Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17	thats a good thread, but i'm really referring to the sizes.Theoden said he had 6,000 spears, but even faramirs company was probably 200 to 300 at the most.Even Gandalf in the movie asked Denethor"where are gondors armies"?