If Frodo had thrown the Ring in right away - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Dûrbelethwen · 05-22-2005, 04:00 PM

I asked this because my mom was wondering about it. What would have happened to Gollum if Frodo and thrown the ring in right away so that Gollum would not have fallen in the cracks with it? My mom was hoping maybe he could be cured of his addiction.

the phantom · 05-22-2005, 04:14 PM

He would not have been cured because he didn't willingly give it up.

Just look at Frodo. The Ring was destroyed but he wasn't cured, was he? Nope.

But it wasn't possible for Frodo to toss the Ring in, anyway. He couldn't even toss the Ring into his little kitchen fire at the beginning of the book.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 05-23-2005, 04:21 AM

That's very true. It would have taken a bizarre accident to knock the Ring in. Maybe a coach load of tourists could have crashed into Frodo, knocking him into the Fire.

If this happened, Gollum would have to endure an existence of misery just as great as his previous. In fact, he would probably jump into the Fire straight away to follow his Precious.

If he was locked in a cage before he could commit suicide, he would probably turn utterly insane.

Eruanna · 05-23-2005, 02:11 PM

What would have happened to Gollum is certainly open to speculation. One thing for sure is that Frodo would, at least, still have all of his fingers

mormegil · 05-23-2005, 02:50 PM

I tend to agree that Gollum, if he survived, would be completely hopeless and miserable. His "addiction" as you called it would never be eased and would gnaw at him until he died. Now I think it's likely that he would have actually jumped into the fire as Eomer stated. However, had he not jumped into the fire he, like Sauron, may have been destroyed. His power and life was tied up in the ring and it's destruction could have brought about his own.

Celebuial · 05-24-2005, 04:40 AM

I agree partly with Mormegil, but I don't think Gollum or I suppose Smeagol (seeing as The Ring is gone), would've perished. Sauron, put some of his 'life force' into The Ring when it was created, thus binding his fate to that of The Ring. Gollum however, had 'an addiction' to The Ring, and although his fate was undoubtably tied up with the fate of The Ring in general, I find it hard to believe that he would be destroyed if The Ring was. Part of him, Gollum may have been destroyed, but I think it more likely that he would hang around to torment him until he died a long, long time later: Smeagol didn't willingly give all of himself up to The Ring; a small part of him resisted. Frodo, although he was in possession of The Ring for a much shorter time span, was permanently tormented by the thought of The Ring, even after its destruction. Maybe this suggests that Sauron's spirit was somehow reaching out to him from The Void, or maybe Eru never meant for such creatures to take such torment, and his mind was permanently scared. I don't think that part of Frodo was destroyed though, just that he saw the world differently, and had endured too much.

05-22-2005, 04:00 PM	#1
Dûrbelethwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	If Frodo had thrown the Ring in right away I asked this because my mom was wondering about it. What would have happened to Gollum if Frodo and thrown the ring in right away so that Gollum would not have fallen in the cracks with it? My mom was hoping maybe he could be cured of his addiction.

05-22-2005, 04:14 PM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	He would not have been cured because he didn't willingly give it up. Just look at Frodo. The Ring was destroyed but he wasn't cured, was he? Nope. But it wasn't possible for Frodo to toss the Ring in, anyway. He couldn't even toss the Ring into his little kitchen fire at the beginning of the book. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-23-2005, 04:21 AM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That's very true. It would have taken a bizarre accident to knock the Ring in. Maybe a coach load of tourists could have crashed into Frodo, knocking him into the Fire. If this happened, Gollum would have to endure an existence of misery just as great as his previous. In fact, he would probably jump into the Fire straight away to follow his Precious. If he was locked in a cage before he could commit suicide, he would probably turn utterly insane. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

05-23-2005, 02:11 PM	#4
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	What would have happened to Gollum is certainly open to speculation. One thing for sure is that Frodo would, at least, still have all of his fingers __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

05-23-2005, 02:50 PM	#5
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	I tend to agree that Gollum, if he survived, would be completely hopeless and miserable. His "addiction" as you called it would never be eased and would gnaw at him until he died. Now I think it's likely that he would have actually jumped into the fire as Eomer stated. However, had he not jumped into the fire he, like Sauron, may have been destroyed. His power and life was tied up in the ring and it's destruction could have brought about his own. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

05-24-2005, 04:40 AM	#6
Celebuial Wight Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardiff during term time/Leicester in the holl's Posts: 129	I agree partly with Mormegil, but I don't think Gollum or I suppose Smeagol (seeing as The Ring is gone), would've perished. Sauron, put some of his 'life force' into The Ring when it was created, thus binding his fate to that of The Ring. Gollum however, had 'an addiction' to The Ring, and although his fate was undoubtably tied up with the fate of The Ring in general, I find it hard to believe that he would be destroyed if The Ring was. Part of him, Gollum may have been destroyed, but I think it more likely that he would hang around to torment him until he died a long, long time later: Smeagol didn't willingly give all of himself up to The Ring; a small part of him resisted. Frodo, although he was in possession of The Ring for a much shorter time span, was permanently tormented by the thought of The Ring, even after its destruction. Maybe this suggests that Sauron's spirit was somehow reaching out to him from The Void, or maybe Eru never meant for such creatures to take such torment, and his mind was permanently scared. I don't think that part of Frodo was destroyed though, just that he saw the world differently, and had endured too much. __________________ Ú cilith ‘war. Ú men ‘war. Boe min mebi. Boe min bango. Last edited by Celebuial; 05-24-2005 at 06:30 AM.