Entwives going West?

[Noxomanus]

I see a lot of discussion in here is about the Entwives,but as far as I know no one has mentioned some information that's given.It might be interesting to know that in the Ent/Entwive song,in the "Treebeard" chapter the Ent and the Entwive are singing about going west.So maybe the Entwives (and possibly some Ents too) fled to Valinor.What's more,the Entwives claimed to know more beautiful gardens,where else then in Valinor could these be? This could explain why the possible "Shire Ent/Entwive" was there,it might have been going to the Grey Havens. Ents don't seem to be mortal,do they?

[Keeper of Dol Guldur]

You know, it seems like a ludicrously simple, easy, basic question. But none of us has any idea. Tolkien imagined maybe they'd been wiped out in their gardens near Dagorlad, and in the brown lands. Some could have been taken as slaves (there is a theory that is where the Olog-Hai came from), and farmed the bleak fields near Rhun. A lot of people theorize that the creature cousin Hal saw on the north-marches, which was tall as an elm (and from the conversation looked like one too), was an Ent, but it could have been a troll or giant as well. Remember that fleeing west did not necessarily entail going to Valinor, the forests and hills around the Blue Mountains were fairly safe places to be. I actually assume that the thing seen was an Ent, not an Entwife, who may have wandered from the forests at the south-western Misty Mountains to Rivendell, and then passed west through Rhudaur and onward because of Saruman, or Dunlenders, or something of the like. Maybe even it fled because of the return of the shadow, or the demon of Moria. I don't really know if it was an Entwife or not, nor what finally happened to them though. But I do love a good enigma.

[Galadriel55]

On one hand, the songs say that the Ents and Entwives will one day be reunited. Where? Possibly in Valinor - all thats left of the ancient world - elves, Istari, etc. - will eventually go there. It is possible that ents, who belong to the old world, will also have to leave. All the characters have their own time to go to Valinor: some have already gone, and some will leave later on. They all leave after they've done all that they could in ME. Possibly, the entwives have played their role, so when their gardent were destroyed they were taken to Valinor, probably by Yavanna. The ents still had to destroy Isengard - so they weren't finished in ME at the same time as entwives, so they will be taken to Valinor some time after Frodo leaves ME.

On the other hand, though, it just seems impossible for them to meet ever again if they are not taken to Valinor.It would be such a beautiful tragic ending...

[Findegil]

Dwarves also belong to the "old world" as you call it. But only one single Dwarf ever left Middle-Earth going to Valinor. In addition I can't find any evidence in the books for Ents going to Valinor.

Respectfully
Findegil

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Findegil

Dwarves also belong to the "old world" as you call it. But only one single Dwarf ever left Middle-Earth going to Valinor. In addition I can't find any evidence in the books for Ents going to Valinor.

You can say that humans also belong to the old world the same way as dwarves do. Neither is really true, though. Yes, they did exist in the 1st age, but they were like secondary creatures in ME. the Eldar were the "masters" of Belleriand. Now, however, the Elves not only for the minority of ME, but they are nearly forgotten (by that I mean that humans and dwarves forgot what elves are REALLY like and made up a bunch of tales about them). Only a very small number of people (like the Dunadains) still remember and respect the Eldar.
About the ents going to Valinot - it does not say so directly, but LOTR does mention, when talking of Elven songs, that they say that "they will meet overseas". There is one known place overseas that is a good candidate for the meeting spot - Valinor.

I am not enforcing my viewpoint, this is just my opinion. You could think differently

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

You can say that humans also belong to the old world in the same way as Dwarves do. Neither is really true, though. Yes, they did exist in the 1st Age, but they were like secondary creatures in ME. The Eldar were the "masters" of Beleriand.

I think you're making a bit of a mistake by apparently equating Beleriand with Middle-earth. Beleriand was only the northwestern tip of Middle-earth, and once you get east of it, this Elvish dominance drops off. True, the Nandor/Silvan Elves are present in considerable numbers in Eriador, Rhovanion, and down into what later becomes Gondor, and there were probably sizable numbers of Avari to the East... but the dominant civilised culture in Eriador and Rhovanion is that of the Dwarves. True, Khazad-dûm's power waxes in the first half of the Second Age, when it holds suzerainty over the Edain-esque men by the mountains, but the Dwarves already had Khazad-dûm itself, plus Gundabad and likely the Iron Hills (cf. "Of Dwarves and Men" in HoME vol. XII). Meanwhile, in the Blue Mountains--abutting right against Beleriand and oft involved with it you have the mighty cities of Nogrod and Belegost.

It is true that The Silmarillion is our primary narrative of the events of the First Age. It is true also that it is decidedly Elf-centred (or more accurately, Elda-centred, or even Noldo-centred). This does not mean, however, that the Elves were really the "majority" race of the First Age. They were the Firstborn, yes... but with the rising of the Sun and the dawn of the First Age (of the Sun, remember) all the races are awake, and the Dwarves have had almost as long as the Sindar to be making a civilisation for themselves... and I would say they've done a fine job at it.

As regards the Elves and Ents remeeting in Valinor--you are correct that Galadriel seems to hold this out as a possibility when she takes her leaves of Treebeard, but it's merely a hope, as I read it.