A few things

Hi I am very new to LOTR books and have a few questions, I would appreciate any answers. I have searched here on the forum and on the web but still have a few questions.


What was Saurons' actaul plan with creating the Rings? What was he hoping to happen exactly? Would the Elves of Erigion have turned to Wraiths if they hadn't had foiled his plan?

Sauron didnt know anything about the 3 rings, but was it through their power that Celebrimbor perceived of Saurons' plot?


If Aragon or Gandalf had put on the One ring during the books, what exactly could they have used it for?

And finally; If Sauron had recaptured the One Ring would he have commaned the wearers of the Three or just have access to their power\workings?


Thanks in advance.

[Raynor]

What was Saurons' actaul plan with creating the Rings?

He made the one ring to rule over the elves:

Originally Posted by Of the rings of power and the third age, Silmarillion

but secretly Sauron made One Ring to rule all the others, and their power was bound up with it, to be subject wholly to it and to last only so long as it too should last. And much of the strength and will of Sauron passed into that One Ring; for the power of the Elven-rings was very great, and that which should govern them must be a thing of surpassing potency; and Sauron forged it in the Mountain of Fire in the Land of Shadow. And while he wore the One Ring he could perceive all the things that were done by means of the lesser rings, and he could see and govern the very thoughts of those that wore them

Would the Elves of Erigion have turned to Wraiths if they hadn't had foiled his plan?

Seeing that the marring of Melkor accelerates the phisical fading of the elves and that Sauron's victory would have deepened that marring, you are at least partially correct.

Sauron didnt know anything about the 3 rings, but was it through their power that Celebrimbor perceived of Saurons' plot?

Probably yes; after they perceived him and his designs, they took off their rings.

If Aragon or Gandalf had put on the One ring during the books, what exactly could they have used it for?

It is possible that Gandalf would have mastered the ring, but then:

Originally Posted by Letter #246

the Ring and all its works would have endured. It would have been the master in the end. Gandalf as Ring-Lord would have been far worse than Sauron

If Sauron had recaptured the One Ring would he have commaned the wearers of the Three or just have access to their power\workings?

He would have comanded everything, forever:

Originally Posted by The last debate, RotK

If he regains it, your valour is vain, and his victory will be swift and complete: so complete that none can foresee the end of it while this world lasts

[Laiudanama]

Couldn't get much fuller than that - I commend your mastery of the quote function, sir Raynor!

Just to really add a brief note to that in response to one of your questions, JimmyLew:

What was Saurons' actaul plan with creating the Rings? What was he hoping to happen exactly? Would the Elves of Erigion have turned to Wraiths if they hadn't had foiled his plan?

It could be an interesting discussion on the differences between men and elves, and their characters - how they would react to the power of the rings. Throughout the novel, one becomes aware that, although men and elves are similar, there are still certain generic character differences between them: for example, the weakness of men is highlighted several times - e.g. in the weakness of Isildur in keeping the ring of power when he had the chance to destroy it, whereas it is implied that an elven character in the same position (such as Elrond) would have destroyed it. Maybe this is just the wisdom of Elrond being shown, of course - after all, elven characters are not entirely without weakness, seen by the temper rashness of fiery Fëanor in the Silmarillion, or even of Galadriel in her being tempted by the rings. But there is a certain 'weakness of men' implied: they great kings of men gave in to the allure of the power and riches offered by the rings, and thus fell under it's power and became wraiths, entirely subject to Sauron; the elves did not - so maybe even under Sauron's influence they would have become 'wraith-like' too.

On the one hand, doubtful, as the three rings, Nenya, Narya and Vilya, were made without Sauron's commission - but then again, they were made when the Celebrimbor and the Mirdain (sorry not to do the little thing over the i - npt exactly sure how to on this computer...) were under the influence of 'Annatar', and were linked inextricably with the other rings and the One Ring itself - and so, if they had kept them on, they would probably have become wraithlike, like the Men. Who knows? Maybe they would have reacted differently and would actually have been less affected by it, or would have been able to resist the seductive pull to submission to the One Ring - but then again, maybe not. But they did, after all, take of the rings - and thus plan foiled!

...although as Raynor puts it, if they had, "He would have comanded everything, forever". Uh huh. And perfect quotage there to prove it.

Hope this didn't just come out as a ramble - I'm also a new member (first post - huzzah!)

Lai

[Farael]

Just a side note re: elves becoming wraiths.... I was just finishing my first reading of Lord Of The Rings.... in English, that is, fourth over all. But my first time through the appendixes and I happened to stumble upon something rather useful. It seems that, in spite of Sauron's designs, dwarves were rather resilient to the effects of the seven rings and they did not turn into wraiths. Now, that does not necessarily mean that elves would not either, after all dwarves and elves are rather opposite to each other, but it does show you that there is at least a chance that they would not.

Other than that Raynor has done an excelent job yet again.

[narfforc]

And the fact that Aule the Maker had made the Dwarves indommitable to the will of others.

So lets just say that the Elves never made the Three Rings. They would have never found out that Sauron had made the One and wouldnt have heard him say the Ring Spell.

They would have used the other 16 rings, (Which were all the same, were they not?) and eventually fell under the dominion of the One. So was Sauron just planning on ruling the 16 Elves that had the rings? Or would he have ruled them all? Or would he have ruled everything that was wrought with the rings etc?

Sorry I am just trying to get my head around what was Sauron banking on.