The Greatest Warrior...

[Hammerhand]

Right, this has probably been done countless times before - but the search button wasn't working, so that is my excuse.

Who, in your opinion is the greatest warrior in Middle Earth... discluding Gods and Demigods (Valar and Maiar)

I'm interested to know what the range of charcters is like.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Greatest warrior?

Hmm... hum... (no, not Treebeard)... The range is indeed quite wide. I am sure there is somewhere mentioned who was considered the strongest, at least of some time... that can help us...

But the people I can think of now are Húrin, Túrin, Fingolfin... maybe even Fingon... I'd say someone among these. I will maybe even go more for one of the Men than for one of the Elves... short-lived but maybe... well, what do you mean by "greatest"? If it also means "famous", then the short-living are in certain disadvantage... but then I'd say Fingolfin. I can't think of anyone else who fought (and hurt!) a Vala (except for Finwë in self-defense, and he just fought, not hurt).

[Hammerhand]

It's quite hard to judge who would be the best isn't it, given that they all fought and fell to different people.

I think i'd probably back Húrin, Fingolfin, Ecthelion, Turgon (in his younger days) or maybe Tuor.

I think the Dwarves are underrated as far as brawling goes, there a couple that seem to be pretty clued up for battle. "Greatest" here means the most capable of destroying their opponant. It's tricky... i never thought of Ents, lol i would imagine Treebeard would be pretty lethal, as we read in the Two Towers!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Hammerhand

It's tricky... i never thought of Ents, lol i would imagine Treebeard would be pretty lethal, as we read in the Two Towers!

Well, but can you imagine him facing a balrog or a dragon?

But, here we are, apart from the rare occassion of Isengard, I don't remember any moment when the Ents would be drawn to such a situation. Hm, interesting now... I never thought how rare and significant the attack on Isengard was... never before and never after anything like that happened, if I'm not gravely mistaken...

If it's "the most capable of destroying their opponent" as you say, then I stick with Fingolfin. Vala is the most dangerous opponent, and yet he managed to wound him quite enough...

[Hammerhand]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, but can you imagine him facing a balrog or a dragon?

But, here we are, apart from the rare occassion of Isengard, I don't remember any moment when the Ents would be drawn to such a situation. Hm, interesting now... I never thought how rare and significant the attack on Isengard was... never before and never after anything like that happened, if I'm not gravely mistaken...

If it's "the most capable of destroying their opponent" as you say, then I stick with Fingolfin. Vala is the most dangerous opponent, and yet he managed to wound him quite enough...

I suppose Glaurung would be one of them.. seeing as he isn't Maiar or Valar.

I'm sure you know what i mean when you have attractions to different characters for different reasons - and i don't mean in a science fiction lust sort of way - example, Húrin's slaying of the 70 trolls, just to defy Morgoth and give Turgon time to withdraw. The death of Huor in that scene was a kick to the crotch, but Húrin's unwavering effort forces you to admire him.

Fingolfin in his rage Vs Morgoth, need i say any more?

Ecthelion because he was the one to slay Gothmog and was reputed to have fought valiantly alongside his men not only at Nirnaeth Arnoediad but at the fall of Gondolin also.

I don't know why but i've always favoured the charcter of Cirdan... not that i think he would get particularly far with a sword.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Hammerhand

I suppose Glaurung would be one of them.. seeing as he isn't Maiar or Valar.

Well, I won't classify Glaurung... you see, the means by which he fights are completely different... not "conventional"... the same as with Treebeard... say, I would limit the choice to just Men, Elves, Dwarves, Dúnedain and Hobbits. Otherwise you could say even Mumak... but the title reads "the greatest WARRIOR" and I won't label Glaurung as "Warrior", nor Treebeard... Warrior is someone who wields a sword or some other weapon, or at least wrestles... Glaurung bites and... Treebeard does something strange with his arms, but he surely does not wrestle...

[Belegorn]

Boromir the Steward. He was so bad, the Witch King ****ed in his pants.

He regained Ithilien after the stronger black Orcs first appeared on the scene and captured it. "Boromir was a great captain, and even the Witch-king feared him. He was noble and fair of face, a man strong in body and in will, but he received a Morgul-wound in that war which shortened his days, and he became shrunken with pain and died twelve years after his father." [Appendix A: p. 376] Think how that drove Frodo crazy. He lived with it for around 14 years.

[Faramir Jones]

Originally Posted by Belegorn

Boromir the Steward. He was so bad, the Witch King ****ed in his pants.

I agree with you about Boromir the Steward being a great warrior, such that the Witch King was afraid of him; but how could he be capable of what you described above, if he was a wraith?

[Belegorn]

Originally Posted by Faramir Jones

how could he be capable of what you described above, if he was a wraith?

He got a Morgul Wound like Frodo, in that battle and lived with it for 14 years. That weakened him. Before that, however, he was a strong man. It seems like the effects were different though still crippling for whoever got them. His did not seem to turn him into a wraith but to cripple him, "shortened his days, and he became shrunken with pain".

[Faramir Jones]

I'm sorry for the confusion, Belegorn! I was talking about the the Witch King, and how he, in your words, '****ed in his pants'. I was wondering whether a wraith was capable of such behaviour...

[Belegorn]

Oh well, that would be just me expressing his fright in my words. I did not know **** would be blocked out. People sometimes urinate in their pants when they get scared. So I used that expression in reference to the Witch King's fright of Boromir.

[Belegorn]

Originally Posted by Faramir Jones

I'm sorry for the confusion, Belegorn! I was talking about the the Witch King, and how he, in your words, '****ed in his pants'. I was wondering whether a wraith was capable of such behaviour...

It's one of many saying like, "scared me to death", which you don't take literally, etc. I mentioned the Witch-king wetting himself as my way of saying he was really scared as some people who do get scared sometimes pee on themselves.