Elrond and Sauron, a personal vendetta?

[Alfirin]

I was wondering if anyone else thinks that Elronds more intimate invovemnt with the affairs of those opposed to Sauron (such as assitng the Dunedain and regularly allwong youn heirs to the throne of Gondor [such as Aragon] to reside in Rivendell under his protection) may have had its basis in personal grudge against Sauron, above and beyoned the hatred felt for him by all of the free people of Middle earth. Sauron after all amoung his other crimes caused though his influence the downfall of Numenor, and Numernor had been founded by Elros, who was Elronds twin brother, so Elrond may have felt that Saron had commited not only a horrible act but a direct attack on his own immediate family. What do you all think?

[Gordis]

I don't think Elrond hated Sauron more than Galadriel, Cirdan etc. did.

But, of course, his close involvement with the Dunedain had its basis in his kinship with the Men of Numenor, descendants of his brother Elros.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Gordis

I don't think Elrond hated Sauron more than Galadriel, Cirdan etc. did.

Me neither. If you think about it, they all must have had personal grudges against Sauron who was involved in the killing of quite a bunch of elves (take Galadriel's kin, for example).

I doubt Elrond felt he had much in common with the Númenoreans anymore by the time of the Downfall. The kings became greedy and "evil" long before Sauron came to Númenor and persecuted those who still loved elves and the valar, with whom I think Elrond would have sided.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Gordis

I don't think Elrond hated Sauron more than Galadriel, Cirdan etc. did.

I beg to differ. Unlike Galadriel Elrond was actually was there on the front lines fighting Sauron's minions, and Elrond saw his kinsman and friends fall before his eyes. Elrond saw Sauron physically burn Gil-Galad alive, he watched as Elrond was struck down trying to avenge Gill- Galad, and he saw the great Isildur get corrupted by the One Ring.

After all of that I think that would be enough cause for Elrond to go on a personal vendetta, wouldn't you say.

[Nerwen]

Have you forgotten what Sauron did to Galadriel's brother?

[Aganzir]

Sauron was just a representative of Melkor in the Second and the Third Age, and I think that was enough of a reason for the elves to hate him. Each of Galadriel's brothers was killed by Melkor's minions (Finrod by Sauron), as were also her uncles and most of her cousins. And think what happened to Celebrían.

If we're talking about personal vendettas here, Galadriel would have had much more reasons for that than Elrond.

[Elmo]

Elrond's wife was tortured by orcs, and that made her go across the sea. That wasn't Sauron directly but Elrond would blame him.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Have you forgotten what Sauron did to Galadriel's brother?

This is how I see it. Galadriel is a women, and women aren't as hard or as fired up as men can be (even though I have seen some exceptions). Women have different ways of dealing with their hurt, they go off in solitude and morn for the loss that they have just experienced. While men on the other hand just want revenge.

Galadriel didn't actually see her brothers being tortured. Elrond was there and saw first hand acounts of Sauron's cruelty.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

This is how I see it. Galadriel is a women, and women aren't as hard or as fired up as men can be (even though I have seen some exceptions). Women have different ways of dealing with their hurt, they feel hurt and morn for their loss and think of rational ways to deal with it. While men on the other hand want revenge.

I totally disagree with you here - about both how you see Galadriel and how you see women.
I have always thought Galadriel resembles rather the man you described than the woman. She wasn't called Nerwen for nothing. I was to mention this already in my last post but I forgot, anyway, I think Galadriel's nature is much more inclined to want vendetta than Elrond's.

Rune explained my thoughts more clearly than I did.