Nenya or the Elessar? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gorthaur the Cruel · 11-17-2009, 01:49 PM

When the Third Age began, Galadriel and Celeborn did not rule over Lorien immedietly. They settled in various places, sometimes visiting Lorien to help its defenses. There wasn't even a mention of her usage of Nenya until she was officially elected to rule Lorien. So do you think she was using the Elessar during her settlement at Dol Amroth, brief visits to Lorien, and her stay at Rivendell? And do you also think that she beautified Lorien with the Elessar instead of Nenya, for Nenya's main funtion was only to arrest decay and change. And it is said that all things grew fair about her with the Elessar. So do you think? This must be why Rivendell wasn't as beautiful compared to Lorien, since Elrond did not possess the Elassar. He'd only be able to "preserve" the pre-existing vegetation that was in Rivendell, whereas Galadriel was able to beautify Lorien. Thoughts?

Rumil · 11-17-2009, 02:23 PM

Hi Gorthaur,

by coincidence I was just reading 'of Galadriel and Celeborn' in UT last night, and the various texts are flatly contradictory in many aspects. So I'm looking forward to see if anyone can sort it out !

The Might · 11-19-2009, 04:11 PM

One passage in the UT pretty much sums it all up:

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Wielding the Elessar all things grew fair about Galadriel, until the coming of the Shadow to the Forest. But afterwards when Nenya, chief of the Three," was sent to her by Celebrimbor, she needed it (as she thought) no more, and she gave it to Celebrían her daughter, and so it came to Arwen and to Aragorn who was called Elessar.

The part with (as she thought) fits in very well as criticism. Basically Galadriel gave up the Elvish, natural way of healing things and instead took the Sauron way, with the Ring of Power. This change fits well with her dreams of glory and power. In the end, I think the Elessar would have ended up with Aragorn anyway, since even had Galadriel kept it for healing purposes, she knew the age of the Elves was approaching its end and that Men could make better use of it.

Tuor in Gondolin · 11-19-2009, 06:32 PM

So does this mean that Telcontar (or Arwen) would use the
Elassar to "beautify" Greater Gondor? It would certainly be
helpful in Ithilien and the Pelennor Fields. What about
giving Treebeard some help around the eaves of Fangorn?

mark12_30 · 11-19-2009, 06:43 PM

So setting aside the Three Rings, for now; How many other elves used gems for healing/blessing purposes?

Inziladun · 11-19-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mark12_30

So setting aside the Three Rings, for now; How many other elves used gems for healing/blessing purposes?

The most obvious is Arwen, who gave a white gem to Frodo to aid him 'when the memory of the fear and the darkness troubles you'.

11-17-2009, 01:49 PM	#1
Gorthaur the Cruel Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Mordor Posts: 150	Nenya or the Elessar? When the Third Age began, Galadriel and Celeborn did not rule over Lorien immedietly. They settled in various places, sometimes visiting Lorien to help its defenses. There wasn't even a mention of her usage of Nenya until she was officially elected to rule Lorien. So do you think she was using the Elessar during her settlement at Dol Amroth, brief visits to Lorien, and her stay at Rivendell? And do you also think that she beautified Lorien with the Elessar instead of Nenya, for Nenya's main funtion was only to arrest decay and change. And it is said that all things grew fair about her with the Elessar. So do you think? This must be why Rivendell wasn't as beautiful compared to Lorien, since Elrond did not possess the Elassar. He'd only be able to "preserve" the pre-existing vegetation that was in Rivendell, whereas Galadriel was able to beautify Lorien. Thoughts? __________________ I am Annatar, the Lord of Gifts.

11-17-2009, 02:23 PM	#2
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Hi Gorthaur, by coincidence I was just reading 'of Galadriel and Celeborn' in UT last night, and the various texts are flatly contradictory in many aspects. So I'm looking forward to see if anyone can sort it out ! __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

11-19-2009, 06:32 PM	#4
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	So does this mean that Telcontar (or Arwen) would use the Elassar to "beautify" Greater Gondor? It would certainly be helpful in Ithilien and the Pelennor Fields. What about giving Treebeard some help around the eaves of Fangorn? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

11-19-2009, 06:43 PM	#5
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	So setting aside the Three Rings, for now; How many other elves used gems for healing/blessing purposes? __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.