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Old 01-18-2010, 10:52 AM   #1
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What happened to Ted Sandyman ?

After the scouring of the Shire, does anyone know what became of Ted Sandyman ?
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:36 AM   #2
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As far as I know, no one does. There's a lot of fanfic exploring the possibilities, though, and I'd be more than happy to link you to some of the theories I've encountered there.

Here's a question bouncing off that, though:

What sort of a justice system would the Shire have had, to deal with such clear evildoers as Sandyman? We know that they never used capital punishment, and the more brutal forms of corporal punishment don't seem very hobbitous either. We also know that they didn't have prisons, at least, not the way that we'd think of them, since the "Lockholes" were actually the "old storage tunnels" in Michel Delving and were thus converted into a prison by the ruffians.

We can also assume, given the lengths Frodo took to make sure that the Shire's spirit remained as intact as possible (no killing of hobbits) that any changes to the justice system that resulted from the Troubles would have been as mild as possible. Given the horrors of the Lockholes I don't think that it would have remained a prison.

Again, I've heard some hypotheses--banishment and shunning are the two most predominant theories that I've encountered in fan fiction--but I'd love to hear everyone else's take on the matter.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:56 AM   #3
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Sandyman's fate probably would have been something along the lines of Gandalf's idea of 'probation' for Saruman: perhaps Sandyman would have been obliged to demonstrate repentance by making some extra effort in the rebuilding process, and maybe giving up some money and property to aid in it. I think he would have been genuinely sorry for what he'd done, being after all a Hobbit, and he couldn't have been the only one corrupted by Saruman's actions. He would likely have carried with him an air of ill-repute for the rest of his days, but that would seem only right.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:07 PM   #4
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Perhaps Ted was forced into an arranged marriage with a young harridan from the Sackville-Baggins brood. Punishment indeed.
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:12 PM   #5
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Very nice question, but also difficult to answer since there really is no hint...
However, I have nothing to add to Inziladun's post, sounds how it probably would have happened, of course if Sandyman chose to remain in the Shire and integrate himself again.
I doubt that he left the Shire though...
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Old 01-18-2010, 04:28 PM   #6
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He might have. The book does say that after hearing of the Battle of Bywater, the southern gangs of ruffians fled "out of the land and offered little resistance to the Thain. Before the Year's End, the few survivors were rounded up in the woods, and those that surrendered were shown to the borders." Sandyman might not have been considered a ruffian in the same way as the Men who invaded the Shire, but I suspect he wasn't considered much better. Sam in particular bore him a strong grudge, and I'd guess that he would have tried to go into hiding, if he could. If he couldn't, I rather think that Sandyman and any other surviving Hobbits who willingly sided with and abetted the ruffians and Saruman were probably taken to the Thain -- and given that the Thain's son and heir was now a knight of the King, they may have been turned over to the King's Justice. I can imagine that Aragorn would have come up with some very inventive ways to rehabilitate Hobbits gone bad...
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