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TheLostPilgrim · 12-31-2011, 09:49 PM

A question:

Would all the magical or mysterious creatures of Middle Earth have disappeared with the beginning of the Fourth Age? For example, the Eagles, the Ents and other unnamed creatures?

Also, did the Vampires and Werewolves still exist by the Third Age or were they all vanquished?

I ask because I'd hate to think that all things magical and supernatural left Middle Earth with the rise of Men....

Inziladun · 12-31-2011, 11:01 PM

Well, I haven't encountered any giant talking eagles....

But let's see.

The decline of the Ents was foretold by Treebeard himself. Due the loss of the Entwives, there were no more Entings, and over time the Ents would either be destroyed by some accident involving fire, or simply grow "treeish".

The Eagles were a means Manwë the Elder King had of keeping an eye on things in Middle-earth, along with helping those who did good. I do think that as Men grew more and more numerous, they would have been recalled to Valinor, as a measure of their own protection.

As for vampires and werewolves, there was no specific mention of them after the First Age, but that doesn't mean creatures of that sort or similar weren't wandering around somewhere. They just weren't enough of them to have any sort of impact on the histories by that point.

The Might · 01-01-2012, 07:14 AM

It does appear that hobbits were around until about 12000 years ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

But all in all everything "magical" would slowly fade and disappear during the Fourth Age.

Alfirin · 01-01-2012, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might

It does appear that hobbits were around until about 12000 years ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

But all in all everything "magical" would slowly fade and disappear during the Fourth Age.

By that logic, we still had Eagles until about 500 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_Eagle

or perhaps even later

http://www.futilitycloset.com/2011/0...untain-hazard/

Andsigil · 01-01-2012, 01:19 PM

I thought that Middle Earth was supposed to be this earth, albeit during one of its mythic pasts.

Taking that line of thought, we have the Greeks with their plethora of creatures, as well as the Dark and Middle Ages, which still have werewolves, vampires, dragons, not to mention unicorns, hippocampi, basilisks, etc.

Inziladun · 01-01-2012, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andsigil

I thought that Middle Earth was supposed to be this earth, albeit during one of its mythic pasts.

Taking that line of thought, we have the Greeks with their plethora of creatures, as well as the Dark and Middle Ages, which still have werewolves, vampires, dragons, not to mention unicorns, hippocampi, basilisks, etc.

And I haven't seen any of those at the local zoo.

12-31-2011, 09:49 PM	#1
TheLostPilgrim Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 72	Vampires, Werewolves, Cats, Ents and other creatures A question: Would all the magical or mysterious creatures of Middle Earth have disappeared with the beginning of the Fourth Age? For example, the Eagles, the Ents and other unnamed creatures? Also, did the Vampires and Werewolves still exist by the Third Age or were they all vanquished? I ask because I'd hate to think that all things magical and supernatural left Middle Earth with the rise of Men....

12-31-2011, 11:01 PM	#2
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,038	Well, I haven't encountered any giant talking eagles.... But let's see. The decline of the Ents was foretold by Treebeard himself. Due the loss of the Entwives, there were no more Entings, and over time the Ents would either be destroyed by some accident involving fire, or simply grow "treeish". The Eagles were a means Manwë the Elder King had of keeping an eye on things in Middle-earth, along with helping those who did good. I do think that as Men grew more and more numerous, they would have been recalled to Valinor, as a measure of their own protection. As for vampires and werewolves, there was no specific mention of them after the First Age, but that doesn't mean creatures of that sort or similar weren't wandering around somewhere. They just weren't enough of them to have any sort of impact on the histories by that point. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-01-2012, 07:14 AM	#3
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	It does appear that hobbits were around until about 12000 years ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis But all in all everything "magical" would slowly fade and disappear during the Fourth Age. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-01-2012, 01:19 PM	#5
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	I thought that Middle Earth was supposed to be this earth, albeit during one of its mythic pasts. Taking that line of thought, we have the Greeks with their plethora of creatures, as well as the Dark and Middle Ages, which still have werewolves, vampires, dragons, not to mention unicorns, hippocampi, basilisks, etc. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.