Tol-in-Gaurhoth Junior

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

No, no, s/he dreams every night. But I played one game where the Seer (Seeker, actually) didn't get a first night dream because the game started with a Day phase. So I thought I'd make it clear that this starts with a Night phase.

Ah, I see.

Originally Posted by D18

Oh, and there will be no double lynchings. Don't know about retractables yet. I liked them before but now I'm kind of enjoying the stability in Farael's game.

Personally, I'm a fan of double lynchings, but I can live without them. As a Wolf in a large village, I found the prospect of only one villager a day being lynched rather daunting. But they can seriously unbabalnce a game when there are a few known innocents hanging around. And, while I appreciate the different dynamic in a game with retractable votes, I prefer non-retractable votes on the whole. Voting is something which should not be undertaken lightly and retractabvle votes give the Ducks much more opportunity to "hide" their votes.

[Diamond18]

Re: the deadline.

I actually have two options as far as the deadline goes. Either 10 PM or 8 AM. I prefer 10 PM because I am a night person. However, since I love you all so much, and it seems I have a lot of people in my game who reside over the sea, I could, I suppose, change it to 8 AM..........

But that's the only other time that's guarunteed to work every day. [whine] My schedule is stupid, and I hate it. I work all different shifts on different days, so while one time might be good for me, say, Monday, on Tuesday it's a bad time, etc. [/whine]

So actually we can take a vote, if people want. 10 PM or 8 AM.

Sauce and Sleepy's opinions on the Goose noted, as well.

[Sleepy Ranger]

I vote 8 am. Though it won't make much of a difference to me when the deadline is because my voting hours will more or less be the same. But with 8 am I'll have more time to think about my vote.

Also, I like Double Lynchings as well though I don't mind them not being there. Also is there a rule to deal with non-active players?

[The Saucepan Man]

8am CST works well for me, as it is 2pm GMT and so coincides with the end of my lunchour.

You know, reviewing the awesome list of players, it occurs to me that there's gonna be a whole lot of squawkin' goin' on in this village. Be prepared for information overload!

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Sleepy R

Also is there a rule to deal with non-active players?

In light of my comment above, I somehow think that ain't gonna be much of a problem in this village ...

[JennyHallu]

8 AM works horribly for me. I go to bed at 11 PM and am not online again until about 8 AM. That would give me no time to read over posts (and as Sauce has pointed out, there would be a lot of those), so I would have to vote 9 hours before the deadline, if not earlier. I often don't have time to get online at all after I get off work at 4 PM...14 hours before the deadline.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

8 AM works horribly for me. I go to bed at 11 PM and am not online again until about 8 AM. That would give me no time to read over posts (and as Sauce has pointed out, there would be a lot of those), so I would have to vote 9 hours before the deadline, if not earlier. I often don't have time to get online at all after I get off work at 4 PM...14 hours before the deadline.

Oddly enough I face the same problem with the deadline being 10pm... Diamond, I have a suggestion, perhaps you should get a co-mod and do what I had originally planned to do for an earlier game (which never happened since I got punished >_>), write the deaths out earlier and let the co-mod post them. That way we'd be able to set a deadline that suits us all.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

Is there a rule to deal with non-active players?

Horrible, grisly death for anyone who doesn't vote two days in a row (without a really smashingly good excuse). Stern PMs and death threats to anyone who makes a habit of voting without other participation.

But, like Sauce said, I don't think that's going to be much of an issue in this village.

Originally Posted by Jenny

8 AM works horribly for me.

I could make it 9 AM for most days but there are certain days when that won't work. And I really hate to change the deadline around on people, as I know that I personally find it extremely confuddling. I'll have to wait for more people to toss in their two cents about the time, see which deadline causes the more people more trouble. Sorry.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Originally Posted by Nilp

dancing spawn is playing? Sweet.

Thanks to Diamond and her willingness to have a slightly bigger village.

Originally Posted by Diamond

Actually I am playing with the idea of exerting my moderatorly perogative to make Spawn an Orcish Astronaut. That is, if you don't object, Spawn.

Umm, an Orcish Astronaut? I had kind of hoped to be a spider of some sort... Oh well, whatever pleases you.

That's one small step for an orc, one giant leap for orckind.

Originally Posted by Sauce

So it's 6 hours difference, then. That makes the deadline 4am for us Brits (and even later for the Continentals and Scandinavians, I think). Any chance of bringing it forward by a few hours, Di?

If it's 4 am. for you, it's 6 am. for me. Whatever the deadline is, it's fine. I'll vote when I can then. Of course it would be nice if everyone could vote as close to the deadline as possible, but since we're from so different parts of the world, I don't see that happening. It's best to go with what the majority wants.

And, despite having been a Cobbler (Huan) who got killed by the shtoopid Wolves (Heroes) on the first night, I think it probably works better if the Ducks don't know the identity of the Goose either.

Hey!!

I agree, though, that the Ducks and the Goose shouldn't know each other (despite having been a Wolf who got lynched because of a bandwagon started by a fellow Wolf and a Cobbler).

I've never been in a game with retractable votes and I'd be curious to try them out, but either way is okay.

[Lalaith]

That way we'd be able to set a deadline that suits us all.

Hmm, I doubt it. You can please some of the people all of the time, etc....

Madame Godess-Modess must do as she sees fit. We poor players are but her tennis balls, struck and banded which way please her.

[Diamond18]

Spawn, maybe you can have a pet spider collection.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Madame Godess-Modess must do as she sees fit. We poor players are but her tennis balls, struck and banded which way please her.

Mwah ha ha ha....

I want what works best for the most people but is still possible for me. So. I'd like to hear back from as many players as possible as to what works best for them, and I'll go with the majority.

So far,

In favor of 8 AM:

Sauce
Sleepy
Lalaith
Nogrod
Cailín

In favor of 10 PM:

Jenny
Kath
Valier
Roa
Lote
Nilp
Glirdan

[Mithalwen]

Okies....

I will be able to post for 30-45 minutes 6-7am CST (UK lunchtime) and between noon amd 3pmCST approximately (UK evening) weekdays and at least daily at weekends (variable times). During these times you will have as much participation and discussion as I can muster. I will vote as best I can according to the state of play at the time I leave.

If this is acceptable to the Mod, please regard me as a definite. If this is an unacceptable level of involvement, I understand and will bow out wishing the game well.

[Lalaith]

Very well, as you ask, 8am is best for me.

[Diamond18]

That sounds good to me, Mith. Does this mean I can consider you as in favor of 8 AM?

[Mithalwen]

Well bringing it forward a few hours won't make any difference to me save that my vote will be a little less premature, and having modded twice (asserting the divine right of moderators ) , I think you should do what suits you best and let everyone else work around it. It is a harder job than you expect and as the wise Envinyatar says in his sig - you will labour in vain if you attempt to please everyone.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Well bringing it forward a few hours won't make any difference to me save that my vote will be a little less premature, and having modded twice (asserting the divine right of moderators ) , I think you should do what suits you best and let everyone else work around it. It is a harder job than you expect and as the wise Envinyatar says in his sig - you will labour in vain if you attempt to please everyone.

Either 10 PM or 8 AM works perfectly fine for me (though I kvetch about getting up early in the morning, I really have no problem with it) so it's up to the majority of players to decide between the two. The one thing I don't want to do is have shifting deadlines, and so that rules out pretty much all other times for me.

[JennyHallu]

Consider how long you think it will take you to write a death, in case the daily lynch isn't whom you expect.

[Mithalwen]

That I would second whole heartedly - as you might expect!

[Kath]

If the deadline is 2pm GMT I will have to vote extremely early most days. As in about midnight the day before. The 4am GMT deadline would work a lot better for me I think as I can vote much closer to the deadline.

But if it's easier for you Diamond I'm ok with 8am.

[Diamond18]

One good reason not to have retractable votes, methinks. (I'm leaning toward non-retractable. Much as a I appreciated them in Mith's game, I think non will be more mod friendly.)

A good death scene would probably take me 40 minutes to write. I type like the wind. So assuming my brain is working....

[Nogrod]

Definitely 8AM, if one can have a vote for it. (10PM would be here in Finland something like 6AM: so if I would like to catch up with the writing of this bunch, I would have to wake up at 4AM the latest - and then stay awake the whole day.) Well. If the game is good, one might think about it...

Retractable votes have their pro's and con's. They can be misused, surely, but they also make it possible for everyone to vote with thought in the end. F.ex. in Farael's game right now, there have been occasions, where someone has had to vote early, because s/he has not been sure, whether s/he's able to come back - and not voting is bad sport anyhow. Then it's nasty to hang around the game at the last minutes (as it has turned out possible to be there) and see, how differently - with additional information - one would have voted.

[Lalaith]

Oh and I'm not a fan of retractable votes. I'm a P not a J, but not that heavily P that I can deal with such fluidity...(for further explanation see my enneagrams thread...)

[Mithalwen]

Well I am generally a fan of retractable votes but since I am going to have to vote early and certainly won't be able to pop back, it doesn't make any odds to me in this game.

[Valier]

Well I would totally vote for the 10pm time. I am NOT a morning person and 8 in the morning is awfully early for me to get up and have a coherent vote/reasoning. But if the majority rules, that's ok I guess..... Perhaps we should have retractable votes for the people who might be able to sneak on before the deadline.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Valier

Perhaps we should have retractable votes for the people who might be able to sneak on before the deadline.

I might be happy with this kind of arrangement - if it could be made somewhat reasonable and simple. Say: one possibility to retract a vote / day? I don't know, whether demanding a reason for it (uncertainty about the possibility to come back before the deadline) would make it complicated (where to state the reasons, how to believe them etc.)?

Maybe just plain: 1 chance to change the vote?

[Diamond18]

If I were to allow retractables I would definitely put a cap of one-change-of-mind-per-person on it. I think they're best used for when you're not sure if you'll be able to be around for the deadline or not, so you want to get an early vote in to be safe but can still change your mind if you do manage to get on later. That's mainly what I liked about them as a player.

However, if I allowed retractables it'd be for everyone, not just those with deadline difficulty. So I wouldn't expect a reason to have to be given.

[Roa_Aoife]

I can do either, really, as I'm on EST time, but that would be 9AM for me, so I'd be missing most of the day's end, and depending on my schedule I might have to miss that entirely too. The 10 pm would be a lot easier for me to make, since I'm almost always on at that time.

++ 10 PM

[Cailín]

As a Continental European, I have to vote 8AM. I'd not be able to vote close to the deadline every day, due to classes and all, but it would be a lot better than 5AM (for me).

Though I am a morning person, I am not that much of a morning person really. But if majority says 10PM, I would obviously be dedicated enough.

I do not think this game needs retractable votes to be dynamic, considering the wonderful line up. Very much looking forward to it already.

[Lote22]

I vote:

++10PM

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++10PM CST

Or bust my brains open and have me for supper! It would be fun to actually see the cycle post--which, considering my timezone, is not likely to happen often.

As Formendaga said, put your foot down, Moddess Goddess! ( )

[Glirdan]

Well, knowing that Wilwa helped Lote with the timing, I'm going to go with 10pm.

[Diamond18]

Re: time zones

In favor of 8 AM:

Sauce
Sleepy
Lalaith
Nogrod
Cailín

In favor of 10 PM:

Jenny
Kath
Valier
Roa
Lote
Nilp
Glirdan

No preference:

Spawn
Mithalwen

So everyone but Elu and Morm have "weighed in" so to speak. It looks like 10 PM has a slight lead. This will probably be the deadline, then, unless Elu and Morm both want 8 AM, in which case it will be a tie, and it will... probably be 10 PM because that was my preference. So, er, it will be 10 PM.

Deadline will be 10 PM

Sorry for any inconveinences this causes, it looks like some will just have to vote early. About half the village will be put out either way.

But this whole mini game of survivor featuring the deadlines was fun for me, thanks.

I have also decided that there will be NO retractable votes. With retractables there seems to be a flurry of last minute activity right up at the deadline, which can swing the lynch in a totally different direction than expected in the hours leading up. I feel this would be unfair to those players who definitely cannot be present at the deadline.

So, it's 10 PM CST DST
No retractable votes
Two days without voting results in a death, unless you get on your knees and beg really really hard whilst I grin with a self-satisified evil air, and... uh... right.
If the only thing you do is vote for two days running, same result, unless there's a really good reason.

Okay, next line of business from the extemely talkative moddess who has nothing better to do right now because she was killed but no she isn't bitter, not bitter at all:

LMP thought he might be able to play but couldn't fit it into his schedule, so there are now 17 players. Nogrod is the only questionable left -- this is dependent on his survival in Farael's game. So there's room for one or two more players if anyone wants to sign up. But even if we start with only 16 that should be okay.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Nogrod is the only questionable left -- this is dependent on his survival in Farael's game. So there's room for one or two more players if anyone wants to sign up. But even if we start with only 16 that should be okay.

I think you can leave the questionmark out, and count me in.

I just looked at the calendar and noticed, that when the first DAY-phase starts in your game, there will be just four villagers left in Farael's game (without more ranger saves). So it's just a day or at most two away from ending - and can be at an end already then. And when it's a NIGHT there, it will be a DAY here, and vice versa (an overlap of just a couple of hours).

Of the deadline: I'll just have to learn new habits and wake up early... And if I don't vote one day, I hope you believe, that I just haven't managed to wake up...

[Kath]

Ok, now we know it's 10pm, can someone please tell me for definite what that is in terms of GMT. My maths is not known for being correct.

[Sleepy Ranger]

Originally Posted by Kath

Ok, now we know it's 10pm, can someone please tell me for definite what that is in terms of GMT. My maths is not known for being correct.

Keeping DST in mind I believe its 4am.

[Diamond18]

It will be 4 AM.

[Anguirel]

I haven't weighed in actually...but I don't mind. I'd vote in the minority. Oh well, early voting for Papageno...

Very glad to see the Nightingale included.

I think it would be best for the Goose not to know the Ducks. A Goose by definition shouldn't know anything of use! Perhaps the Ducks could indeed know the Goose...

[Diamond18]

Oops. I'm sorry, Ang. I don't know how I forgot you.

You'll be in good company with the early voters, anyway.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh dear. If Farael's game doesn't end soon, I'll be in the same position as Nogrod. I had figured we'd be further along by now. Oh, well.

[Diamond18]

I suppose I could move my game up by a day or two. Start the Night on Sunday and the Day on Monday. I'll see Saturday.