One Thing in Common - Page 26 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 04-12-2009, 04:10 PM

This thread doesn't deserve to die, but the only thing I can come up with is:

Both of them gave the Elessar to a person they loved (Celebrimbor -> Galadriel,
Arwen -> Aragorn).

(The problem with this is that only in the movie it was Arwen who gave the E. to Aragorn, whereas in the book he got it from Galadriel, so this is probably not what you were thinking of...)

Nerwen · 04-20-2009, 07:56 AM

Sorry for the late reply, Pitchwife. I was away over Easter. And thanks for reviving the thread!

And no, that isn't the answer.

Please keep guessing. I'll give you another clue if you want one.

The Might · 05-26-2009, 11:37 AM

I'll go with a crazy idea on this one -

They were both reponsisble for the creation of banners:
Celebrimbor's body was used as a banner on a pole by Sauron's forces during their campaign, whilst Arwen made the banner for Aragorn.

I know, pretty crazy

Pitchwife · 05-29-2009, 05:20 PM

Might, that's an awesome solution!
I'll bet anything it's true, and even if it isn't, it's ingenious! If I may say so, the Quiz Room wasn't quite the same without you...

P.S. As for your riddle and my answer, I was talking about this here.

Nerwen · 06-10-2009, 04:53 AM

Sorry, Might– I didn't notice you'd answered this.

You're quite right.

Please take the thread.

The Might · 06-10-2009, 09:44 AM

Wait... what?

I didn't see that one coming, was pretty sure that this was too crazy to be correct.

Anyways, let me see...

What do Elves of Imladris, the Dúnedain and the Orcs have in common?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-10-2009, 12:14 PM

Would it be knowing Celebrían?

Or are you really thinking generally? Like, ALL Orcs, ALL Dúnedain?

The Might · 06-11-2009, 01:12 PM

No, not that, others knew Celebrían as well.
No, I don't mean ALL of them, but it may apply to all of them... not sure.

The Might · 06-27-2009, 08:57 AM

Meh... it's not that hard you know...

Morsul the Dark · 06-27-2009, 09:43 AM

they're all fading races?

Hakon · 06-27-2009, 02:13 PM

They all are part Elvish. The elves obviously are elvish, the orcs if consider the idea that they are corrupted elves and the Dùnedain if consider the fact that they are descended from Elros.

Pitchwife · 06-27-2009, 05:39 PM

Hmmm... three possible solutions, in addition to what has been posted above:
1. Some of all three groups took part in the Battle of Dagorlad (at the time of the Last Alliance).
2. Some of all three groups (if you count Elladan & Elrohir as Elves) took part in the Battle before the Morannon (in LotR Book V, Chapter X).
3. At least some of all three groups lived near and/or frequently used the High Pass of the North (Cirith Forn en Andrath).

The Might · 06-30-2009, 11:18 AM

Nope, none of them.

Keep in mind, as far as I am aware of, this similarity is fairly unique to these groups within M-e.

Morsul the Dark · 06-30-2009, 07:51 PM

not originally from Middle Earth?

Elves- Valor
Dunedaine- numenor
Orcs- created?

The Might · 07-01-2009, 08:17 AM

Nope.

Eönwë · 08-17-2009, 01:29 PM

Is it that their homelands are lost (or that they are not in them):

-Elves of Imladris- Valinor (they are exiled)
-Dunedain- Numenor (it was destroyed and they were also in a sense "exiled") or Arnor (it is non-existent)
-Orcs- Angband (it was also destroyed and the also had to flee)

Eönwë · 08-21-2009, 10:59 AM

Erm... Miggy? You there?

The Might · 08-23-2009, 06:08 AM

No, it's all much more simple. Let me put it this way as a hint... it rather has something to do with their lifestyle.

Morsul the Dark · 08-23-2009, 06:28 AM

Long lives?

The Might · 08-24-2009, 03:47 AM

No... let me put it this way... it's about something they all owned.

Hope this will help.

Eönwë · 08-24-2009, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might

No... let me put it this way... it's about something they all owned.

Owned at the time or used to own?

The Might · 08-24-2009, 04:10 AM

No, something they all owned at the time of the War of the Ring.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 08-24-2009, 08:33 AM

Something like Rhudaur?

The Might · 08-24-2009, 01:07 PM

They owned Rhudaur?

No, no, something more material.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 08-24-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might

They owned Rhudaur?

No, no, something more material.

Well, that's the first thing that occured to me

Hey, so what if... wasn't it some sort of cordial, they all had it? The miruvor of the Elves of Rivendell, the liquor of the Orcs, and a Dúnadan cordial - possibly remnant of the one used by Númenoreans?

I am not really sure if this is the right answer, I would probably need to give it a bit more thought.

The Might · 08-24-2009, 02:21 PM

Indeed.

Nerwen · 08-25-2009, 07:31 AM

You're good, Legate!
*is awed*

Legate of Amon Lanc · 08-25-2009, 02:09 PM

Actually, I am awed myself

I did not expect that much, it was just a thing that occured to me. But a very nice riddle, TM, indeed! (And thanks, Nerwen !

)

But, okay, so what about these folks - let's try Frodo Baggins and... Nienor Níniel. What do they have in common?

Pitchwife · 08-26-2009, 08:26 AM

Running naked?
Frodo hopping around with his friends after escape from the barrow, Nienor running away from both Orcs and her Elven companions to Haudh-en-Elleth.

(P.S. I'm awed, too! And Might, that was really clever.)

Legate of Amon Lanc · 08-26-2009, 08:48 AM

Like you said yourself, the other Hobbits did it too. So, no. This was something that neither Sam, nor Merry, nor Pippin shared with Nienor, but only Frodo did.

Pitchwife · 09-13-2009, 02:56 PM

Something to do with losing a parent?
Frodo was orphaned due to that boating accident, and Nienor was born, grew up and died during Húrin's captivity in Angband.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-16-2009, 03:58 PM

No, but you are getting close.

Loslote · 09-16-2009, 07:14 PM

They both used false names? Underhill and Niniel?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-17-2009, 12:57 AM

Nope, and I think in Nienor's case it wasn't her choice to pick the name as a cover or anything.

Pitchwife · 09-21-2009, 02:20 PM

What about this? : Both of them left the place where they had been born and spent their formative years and went to live somewhere else in their early twenties.
Frodo left Buckland and moved to Bag End, Hobbiton to live with Bilbo; Nienor left Hithlum (with Morwen) and moved to Thingol's court in Doriath. He was 22 at the time, she 20 or 21.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-21-2009, 02:55 PM

No, although really a very nice try. I could as well accept that, because it's really good, but it's not the thing I have been looking for.

Okay, a hint: the question is made intentionally a bit more distant, so look around closer at those who were close to them.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-05-2009, 07:03 PM

Does it have anything to do with Eagles? Nienor's father and uncle were rescued from peril by Eagles, as was Frodo's guardian, Bilbo.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-06-2009, 02:43 AM

Nope, but you are right in focusing at Bilbo, for example. Now I think it should be a bit easier to find the thing.

Eönwë · 10-06-2009, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Nope, but you are right in focusing at Bilbo, for example. Now I think it should be a bit easier to find the thing.

I read that as "Now I think it should be a bit easier to find the ring."

But anyway, hmm....

Legate of Amon Lanc · 10-07-2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I read that as "Now I think it should be a bit easier to find the ring."

Of course it should be easier to find the Ring if you focus on Bilbo, you silly Riders should have realised it a long time ago...

04-12-2009, 04:10 PM	#1001
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	This thread doesn't deserve to die, but the only thing I can come up with is: Both of them gave the Elessar to a person they loved (Celebrimbor -> Galadriel, Arwen -> Aragorn). (The problem with this is that only in the movie it was Arwen who gave the E. to Aragorn, whereas in the book he got it from Galadriel, so this is probably not what you were thinking of...) __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

04-20-2009, 07:56 AM	#1002
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Sorry for the late reply, Pitchwife. I was away over Easter. And thanks for reviving the thread! And no, that isn't the answer. Please keep guessing. I'll give you another clue if you want one. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

05-26-2009, 11:37 AM	#1003
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	I'll go with a crazy idea on this one - They were both reponsisble for the creation of banners: Celebrimbor's body was used as a banner on a pole by Sauron's forces during their campaign, whilst Arwen made the banner for Aragorn. I know, pretty crazy __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-29-2009, 05:20 PM	#1004
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Might, that's an awesome solution! I'll bet anything it's true, and even if it isn't, it's ingenious! If I may say so, the Quiz Room wasn't quite the same without you... P.S. As for your riddle and my answer, I was talking about this here. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

06-10-2009, 04:53 AM	#1005
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Sorry, Might– I didn't notice you'd answered this. You're quite right. Please take the thread. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

06-10-2009, 09:44 AM	#1006
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Wait... what? I didn't see that one coming, was pretty sure that this was too crazy to be correct. Anyways, let me see... What do Elves of Imladris, the Dúnedain and the Orcs have in common? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

06-10-2009, 12:14 PM	#1007
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Would it be knowing Celebrían? Or are you really thinking generally? Like, ALL Orcs, ALL Dúnedain? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

06-11-2009, 01:12 PM	#1008
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	No, not that, others knew Celebrían as well. No, I don't mean ALL of them, but it may apply to all of them... not sure. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

06-27-2009, 08:57 AM	#1009
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Meh... it's not that hard you know... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

06-27-2009, 09:43 AM	#1010
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	they're all fading races? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

06-27-2009, 02:13 PM	#1011
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	They all are part Elvish. The elves obviously are elvish, the orcs if consider the idea that they are corrupted elves and the Dùnedain if consider the fact that they are descended from Elros. __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

06-27-2009, 05:39 PM	#1012
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Hmmm... three possible solutions, in addition to what has been posted above: 1. Some of all three groups took part in the Battle of Dagorlad (at the time of the Last Alliance). 2. Some of all three groups (if you count Elladan & Elrohir as Elves) took part in the Battle before the Morannon (in LotR Book V, Chapter X). 3. At least some of all three groups lived near and/or frequently used the High Pass of the North (Cirith Forn en Andrath). __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

06-30-2009, 11:18 AM	#1013
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nope, none of them. Keep in mind, as far as I am aware of, this similarity is fairly unique to these groups within M-e. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

06-30-2009, 07:51 PM	#1014
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	not originally from Middle Earth? Elves- Valor Dunedaine- numenor Orcs- created? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-01-2009, 08:17 AM	#1015
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nope. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

08-17-2009, 01:29 PM	#1016
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Is it that their homelands are lost (or that they are not in them): -Elves of Imladris- Valinor (they are exiled) -Dunedain- Numenor (it was destroyed and they were also in a sense "exiled") or Arnor (it is non-existent) -Orcs- Angband (it was also destroyed and the also had to flee) __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 08-17-2009 at 01:32 PM.

08-21-2009, 10:59 AM	#1017
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Erm... Miggy? You there? __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

08-23-2009, 06:08 AM	#1018
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	No, it's all much more simple. Let me put it this way as a hint... it rather has something to do with their lifestyle. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

08-23-2009, 06:28 AM	#1019
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Long lives? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

08-24-2009, 03:47 AM	#1020
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	No... let me put it this way... it's about something they all owned. Hope this will help. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

08-24-2009, 04:10 AM	#1022
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	No, something they all owned at the time of the War of the Ring. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

08-24-2009, 08:33 AM	#1023
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Something like Rhudaur? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

08-24-2009, 01:07 PM	#1024
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	They owned Rhudaur? No, no, something more material. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

08-24-2009, 02:21 PM	#1026
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Indeed. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

08-25-2009, 07:31 AM	#1027
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	You're good, Legate! is awed __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

08-25-2009, 02:09 PM	#1028
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Actually, I am awed myself I did not expect that much, it was just a thing that occured to me. But a very nice riddle, TM, indeed! (And thanks, Nerwen ! ) But, okay, so what about these folks - let's try Frodo Baggins and... Nienor Níniel. What do they have in common? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

08-26-2009, 08:26 AM	#1029
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Running naked? Frodo hopping around with his friends after escape from the barrow, Nienor running away from both Orcs and her Elven companions to Haudh-en-Elleth. (P.S. I'm awed, too! And Might, that was really clever.) __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

08-26-2009, 08:48 AM	#1030
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Like you said yourself, the other Hobbits did it too. So, no. This was something that neither Sam, nor Merry, nor Pippin shared with Nienor, but only Frodo did. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

09-13-2009, 02:56 PM	#1031
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Something to do with losing a parent? Frodo was orphaned due to that boating accident, and Nienor was born, grew up and died during Húrin's captivity in Angband. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

09-16-2009, 03:58 PM	#1032
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	No, but you are getting close. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

09-16-2009, 07:14 PM	#1033
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	They both used false names? Underhill and Niniel? __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

09-17-2009, 12:57 AM	#1034
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Nope, and I think in Nienor's case it wasn't her choice to pick the name as a cover or anything. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

09-21-2009, 02:20 PM	#1035
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	What about this? : Both of them left the place where they had been born and spent their formative years and went to live somewhere else in their early twenties. Frodo left Buckland and moved to Bag End, Hobbiton to live with Bilbo; Nienor left Hithlum (with Morwen) and moved to Thingol's court in Doriath. He was 22 at the time, she 20 or 21. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

09-21-2009, 02:55 PM	#1036
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	No, although really a very nice try. I could as well accept that, because it's really good, but it's not the thing I have been looking for. Okay, a hint: the question is made intentionally a bit more distant, so look around closer at those who were close to them. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

10-05-2009, 07:03 PM	#1037
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Does it have anything to do with Eagles? Nienor's father and uncle were rescued from peril by Eagles, as was Frodo's guardian, Bilbo. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!