Celeborn and his shaded past - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

haste · 04-30-2002, 12:57 PM

I have recently started reading Tolkien once more after a few months of reading nothing but Tom Clancy and I have found that going back and reading it when one has not read it for a long while certain points are made clearer. I seem to recall a huge thread on here stating the origin of Celeborn's earlier life. The arguement was did Celeborn come over to Beliriand with the rebel elves and Galadriel or did Galadriel met and fall in love with him in Doriath?

Now I am reading FOTR and in the chapter "The Mirror of Galadriel" there is a line that I feel might need cleared up or it might just prove one of those arguements. It goes as follows.

"For the Lord of the Galadrim is accounted the wisest of the Elves of Middle-earth, and a giver of gifts beyond the power of kings. He has dwelt in the West since the days of dawn, and I have dwelt with him years uncounted;"

Now that is Galadriel talking to the company and I was just wondering if anyone knows if "The West" stated in that quote is Aman or Beliriand. I also noticed that Tolkien Capitilized "West" in the qoate and I just dont see Beliriand if it was refered to as the the West to be capitalized. So as for me I believe she meant that they were both from Aman and came over. But someone smarter then me please tell me if I am wrong.

04-30-2002, 12:57 PM	#1
haste Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 18	Celeborn and his shaded past I have recently started reading Tolkien once more after a few months of reading nothing but Tom Clancy and I have found that going back and reading it when one has not read it for a long while certain points are made clearer. I seem to recall a huge thread on here stating the origin of Celeborn's earlier life. The arguement was did Celeborn come over to Beliriand with the rebel elves and Galadriel or did Galadriel met and fall in love with him in Doriath? Now I am reading FOTR and in the chapter "The Mirror of Galadriel" there is a line that I feel might need cleared up or it might just prove one of those arguements. It goes as follows. "For the Lord of the Galadrim is accounted the wisest of the Elves of Middle-earth, and a giver of gifts beyond the power of kings. He has dwelt in the West since the days of dawn, and I have dwelt with him years uncounted;" Now that is Galadriel talking to the company and I was just wondering if anyone knows if "The West" stated in that quote is Aman or Beliriand. I also noticed that Tolkien Capitilized "West" in the qoate and I just dont see Beliriand if it was refered to as the the West to be capitalized. So as for me I believe she meant that they were both from Aman and came over. But someone smarter then me please tell me if I am wrong.