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Vultur · 02-08-2009, 01:20 PM

If the Valar are so incredibly powerful, why did they need Eru's help to fight off the Numenoreans?

The herald of Manwe says to Feanor (in reference to his calling Morgoth a Vala) that he could never overcome any of the Valar, "not though Eru whom thou namest had made thee thrice greater than thou art." Surely no mortal Man could come close to the power of Feanor, and the Valar (not being purely physical beings) coud easily avoid assault by armies. So, why couldn't the Valar have done it themselves? Or are they really that weak?

I'm imagining the scene in Valinor:

AR-PHARAZON: Ha! I claim this land! Come out and fight, you cowards!

ELVES OF VALINOR: Aaagh! *flee*

VALAR: Oh crap! Clearly we can't hope to fight a bunch of upstart mortals! Yo, Manwe, can you get Eru on the line?

AR-PHARAZON: ...come on? Is anybody home?

MANWE: Help! Mayday! SOS!

ERU: Oy! What sort of poor excuses for Powers are you? Can't you guys handle my Younger Children yourselves?

MANWE: ...no.

ERU: Ah, well, ok then. Guess I have to do everything myself. *buries Ar-Pharazon in rockslide, sinks Numenor, changes shape of world, etc.*

...OK, I'm sure it wasn't like that, but what was the deal there?

02-08-2009, 01:20 PM	#1
Vultur Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 14	Numenoreans attacking the Valar If the Valar are so incredibly powerful, why did they need Eru's help to fight off the Numenoreans? The herald of Manwe says to Feanor (in reference to his calling Morgoth a Vala) that he could never overcome any of the Valar, "not though Eru whom thou namest had made thee thrice greater than thou art." Surely no mortal Man could come close to the power of Feanor, and the Valar (not being purely physical beings) coud easily avoid assault by armies. So, why couldn't the Valar have done it themselves? Or are they really that weak? I'm imagining the scene in Valinor: AR-PHARAZON: Ha! I claim this land! Come out and fight, you cowards! ELVES OF VALINOR: Aaagh! flee VALAR: Oh crap! Clearly we can't hope to fight a bunch of upstart mortals! Yo, Manwe, can you get Eru on the line? AR-PHARAZON: ...come on? Is anybody home? MANWE: Help! Mayday! SOS! ERU: Oy! What sort of poor excuses for Powers are you? Can't you guys handle my Younger Children yourselves? MANWE: ...no. ERU: Ah, well, ok then. Guess I have to do everything myself. buries Ar-Pharazon in rockslide, sinks Numenor, changes shape of world, etc. ...OK, I'm sure it wasn't like that, but what was the deal there?