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Lindolirian · 06-12-2003, 03:10 PM

Right, they all encountered a Balrog, but Hurin was the only one not killed by one. Head on, Master of Doom! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Turambar · 06-13-2003, 10:20 AM

Huor
Tuor
Húrin
Túrin

Lindolirian · 06-13-2003, 12:31 PM

Well there's the obvious one that Túrin has never been to Gondolin, but I doubt that's it. Tuor was the only one to see the Sea, and speak with a Vala, not to mention was allowed to live in the Undying Lands.

Arwen Imladris · 06-13-2003, 01:38 PM

Which Húrin?

Lasgalen · 06-15-2003, 02:24 AM

Tuor because he was the only one who married and Elf. Tuor because he was the only mortal counted among the Eldar.

Turambar · 06-15-2003, 07:05 PM

*embarassed* Lindolirian - it was the obvious answer. Turin never visited Gondolin. Your go!

Lindolirian · 06-16-2003, 09:46 PM

Oh, I'm sorry... now I feel bad. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Anywaaays...
Fatty Bolger
Gríma
Gloìn
Grishnákh
Uglúk

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-17-2003, 12:16 PM

I would guess Uglúk on the assumption that he is the only one never to have encountered the Nazgul.

Fatty Bolger was menaced by them at Crickhollow.
Gríma Wormtongue, according to one account in UT, directed them towards the Shire.
Gloìn, I think, was one of those that encountered the Nazgul that visited Erebor.
Grishnákh, being an Orc of Mordor, must have encountered one.
Uglúk on the other hand, being an Orc of Isengard, maybe never had that pleasure.

Lindolirian · 06-17-2003, 09:16 PM

Right-O! I was assuming, like you, that the messenger to Erebor was a Nazgûl, in which case, Ugluk would be the Odd Man Out. Carry on!

1300th Post!

[ June 17, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-19-2003, 08:15 PM

A solid assumption, Lindol. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

This set should be fairly straightforward:

Greenleaf
Quickbeam
Treebeard
Wandlimb

alaklondewen · 06-19-2003, 09:07 PM

Greenleaf is the only name given to an elf...which would be Legolas?

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-19-2003, 09:28 PM

And Greenleaf (ie Legolas) is the only one who is not an Ent. But your answer is good enough for me, alak. Please proceed [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

alaklondewen · 06-19-2003, 09:45 PM

Thank you. I should have clarified a little more.

Borondir
Tuor
Halbarad
Eothain
Hirgon

Lindolirian · 06-19-2003, 09:48 PM

Tuor never rode a horse.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-20-2003, 10:07 AM

Eothain is the only one who did not convey an important message.

Borondir brought tidings to Eorl and the Northmen of Gondor's need.
Tuor brought Ulmo's message to Gondolin advising that the city be abandoned.
Halbarad brought Elrond's reminder of Malbeth's prophecy to Aragorn (and the standard made for him by Arwen).
Hirgon brought the Red Arrow to Theoden, again conveying tidings of Gondor's need in times of war.

Eothain, on the other hand, was simply a grumpy Rider of Rohan who was too mean to happily spare a few horses for the future King of Gondor and his companions. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ June 20, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]

alaklondewen · 06-20-2003, 04:22 PM

Saucepan, that was exactly what I was looking for. Great job! Carry on. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-20-2003, 05:48 PM

Why thank you, alak. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] OK, next up:

Haleth
Haldad
Helm Hammerhand
Tarannon Falastar
Telemnar
Theoden

alaklondewen · 06-20-2003, 06:13 PM

I'll state the obvious first...Haleth is the only woman, while the rest are men, but I don't think that's it.

All of these are Kings (or Queen in Haleth's case), but Tarannon Falastur is the only one who was childless.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-20-2003, 07:30 PM

Quote:

... but I don't think that's it.

You are correct ... that's not it. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

And its not to do with childlessness, although that answer is heading somewhat in the right direction. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

alaklondewen · 06-20-2003, 08:38 PM

Okay, I'm going to try again. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Haldad is the only leader (King/Queen) listed whose was succeeded by his child, which was Haleth.

Haleth was succeeded by her brother, Haldor.
Helm Hammerhand by his nephew Frealaf.
Tarannon Falastar by Earnil I his nephew.
Telemnar by his nephew Tarondor.
Theoden was succeeded of course by his nephew Eomer.

My apologies I thought Haleth had a son, but she was childless also.

**The Saucepan Man** · 06-22-2003, 11:54 AM

In fact, Haleth was succeeded by Haldan, son of her brother, Haldar. So, the odd one out is Haldad because he is the only on who was not succeeded by his nephew.

But you are close enough, alak, so please carry on. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

alaklondewen · 06-22-2003, 08:34 PM

Hmm...maybe one of these times I'll be right on the money instead of 'close enough'. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Okay, here's the next list:

Gil-galad
Lorien
Borondir
Earendil
Nimrodel

[ June 22, 2003: Message edited by: alaklondewen ]

Arwen Imladris · 06-23-2003, 08:11 AM

Oh man, I am so bad at this.

Gil-galad: Only High Kings of the Noldor?
Lorien: Only Vala?
Borondir: Only man?
Earendil: Which one??
Nimrodel: Only female?

alaklondewen · 06-23-2003, 04:19 PM

Sorry, none of those are what I'm looking for. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Just to clarify...Earendil is the mariner.

Lindolirian · 06-23-2003, 09:04 PM

Borondir never saw the Sea.

alaklondewen · 06-23-2003, 09:35 PM

Maybe...but that's not it. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Gwaihir the Windlord · 06-24-2003, 02:57 AM

Borondir: the only one to have escaped near-death (lol rather weak I know)

[ June 24, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

Lasgalen · 06-24-2003, 03:19 AM

Nimrodel-only one to have a river named after her?

alaklondewen · 06-24-2003, 08:47 AM

Nope, and nope. Okay, here is a hint: All five people have something in common, but with one of them this one thing is a little different. I hope that made some sort of sense.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-06-2003, 06:27 PM

Hmm, another hint perhaps, alak?

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-06-2003, 10:15 PM

I understand, but it doesn't really make it any easier. Remembering the time someone else gave me a clue which I more or less ignored and still got the answer, I'm going to say Lorien. He was the only one who did not make some sort of sacrifice/gamble (Gil-Galad destroying Sauron at the cost of his own life, Nimrodel willing to endure perils to reach Amroth, Borondir running a gauntlet to reach Eorl, Earendil taking on the burden of the doom of the Children of Illuvitar).

Lalaith · 07-07-2003, 02:22 PM

There is some kind of link I would guess with a journey or a message.

alaklondewen · 07-07-2003, 04:20 PM

I have take out Lorien, because that was not what was in my head at the time (so sorry)...I was thinking of Varda, so I have replaced it with Elbereth. I have also added two more names that have the same thing in common as the others.

Gil-galad
Elbereth
Borondir
Earendil
Nimrodel
Boromir
Eärendil (the Mariner)

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-08-2003, 02:32 AM

Well that totally changes things. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Borondir, who was the only non-regal person.

Lalaith · 07-08-2003, 07:40 AM

Now I'm even more confused. I've looked up Earendil of Gondor on the Encyclopaedia of Arda and they basically say he did absolutely nothing!

alaklondewen · 07-08-2003, 07:45 AM

Okay, Lalaith, it's Earendil the Mariner. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
This will be a huge hint...the thing they all have in common is the way they were remembered.

Gil-Galad · 07-08-2003, 09:14 AM

all of them except Earendil of Gondor fought in a great battle that changed the fate of Middle Earth
(Gil-Galad-atatcked Sauron)
(Earendil the mariner- killed Anacalon and most of the dragons)

Lalaith · 07-08-2003, 09:20 AM

Thanks Alak, the reason I got confused was that you had Earendil mentioned twice in the list, once as a Mariner, so I thought you had both Earendils in mind...

And, I think I've got it! They all had lays or songs written about them. Except Borondir who was just mentioned perhaps in someone else's song...

alaklondewen · 07-22-2003, 09:12 PM

I am very sorry, Lalaith...I didn't realize you had answered. Thank you Saucepan for the PM.

You are so close to what I'm looking for that I'm giving it to you. This question has gone on too long. Borondir is indeed the answer, but he also had a song written about him...it just wasn't sung in the LotR.

My apologies again...the board is yours.

Lalaith · 07-25-2003, 08:24 AM

No problem!

Theoden
Denethor
Sam
Aragorn
Turgon

06-12-2003, 03:10 PM	#761
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Right, they all encountered a Balrog, but Hurin was the only one not killed by one. Head on, Master of Doom! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-13-2003, 10:20 AM	#762
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Huor Tuor Húrin Túrin __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

06-13-2003, 12:31 PM	#763
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Well there's the obvious one that Túrin has never been to Gondolin, but I doubt that's it. Tuor was the only one to see the Sea, and speak with a Vala, not to mention was allowed to live in the Undying Lands. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-13-2003, 01:38 PM	#764
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Which Húrin? __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

06-15-2003, 02:24 AM	#765
Lasgalen Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 101	Tuor because he was the only one who married and Elf. Tuor because he was the only mortal counted among the Eldar. __________________ When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil.

06-15-2003, 07:05 PM	#766
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	embarassed Lindolirian - it was the obvious answer. Turin never visited Gondolin. Your go! __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

06-16-2003, 09:46 PM	#767
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Oh, I'm sorry... now I feel bad. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Anywaaays... Fatty Bolger Gríma Gloìn Grishnákh Uglúk __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-17-2003, 12:16 PM	#768
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	I would guess Uglúk on the assumption that he is the only one never to have encountered the Nazgul. Fatty Bolger was menaced by them at Crickhollow. Gríma Wormtongue, according to one account in UT, directed them towards the Shire. Gloìn, I think, was one of those that encountered the Nazgul that visited Erebor. Grishnákh, being an Orc of Mordor, must have encountered one. Uglúk on the other hand, being an Orc of Isengard, maybe never had that pleasure. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-17-2003, 09:16 PM	#769
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Right-O! I was assuming, like you, that the messenger to Erebor was a Nazgûl, in which case, Ugluk would be the Odd Man Out. Carry on! 1300th Post! [ June 17, 2003: Message edited by: Lindolirian ] __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-19-2003, 08:15 PM	#770
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	A solid assumption, Lindol. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] This set should be fairly straightforward: Greenleaf Quickbeam Treebeard Wandlimb __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-19-2003, 09:07 PM	#771
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Greenleaf is the only name given to an elf...which would be Legolas? __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-19-2003, 09:28 PM	#772
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	And Greenleaf (ie Legolas) is the only one who is not an Ent. But your answer is good enough for me, alak. Please proceed [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-19-2003, 09:45 PM	#773
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Thank you. I should have clarified a little more. Borondir Tuor Halbarad Eothain Hirgon __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-19-2003, 09:48 PM	#774
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Tuor never rode a horse. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-20-2003, 10:07 AM	#775
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Eothain is the only one who did not convey an important message. Borondir brought tidings to Eorl and the Northmen of Gondor's need. Tuor brought Ulmo's message to Gondolin advising that the city be abandoned. Halbarad brought Elrond's reminder of Malbeth's prophecy to Aragorn (and the standard made for him by Arwen). Hirgon brought the Red Arrow to Theoden, again conveying tidings of Gondor's need in times of war. Eothain, on the other hand, was simply a grumpy Rider of Rohan who was too mean to happily spare a few horses for the future King of Gondor and his companions. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [ June 20, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-20-2003, 04:22 PM	#776
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Saucepan, that was exactly what I was looking for. Great job! Carry on. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-20-2003, 05:48 PM	#777
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Why thank you, alak. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] OK, next up: Haleth Haldad Helm Hammerhand Tarannon Falastar Telemnar Theoden __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-20-2003, 06:13 PM	#778
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	I'll state the obvious first...Haleth is the only woman, while the rest are men, but I don't think that's it. All of these are Kings (or Queen in Haleth's case), but Tarannon Falastur is the only one who was childless. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-20-2003, 08:38 PM	#780
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Okay, I'm going to try again. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Haldad is the only leader (King/Queen) listed whose was succeeded by his child, which was Haleth. Haleth was succeeded by her brother, Haldor. Helm Hammerhand by his nephew Frealaf. Tarannon Falastar by Earnil I his nephew. Telemnar by his nephew Tarondor. Theoden was succeeded of course by his nephew Eomer. My apologies I thought Haleth had a son, but she was childless also. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-22-2003, 11:54 AM	#781
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	In fact, Haleth was succeeded by Haldan, son of her brother, Haldar. So, the odd one out is Haldad because he is the only on who was not succeeded by his nephew. But you are close enough, alak, so please carry on. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

06-22-2003, 08:34 PM	#782
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Hmm...maybe one of these times I'll be right on the money instead of 'close enough'. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Okay, here's the next list: Gil-galad Lorien Borondir Earendil Nimrodel [ June 22, 2003: Message edited by: alaklondewen ] __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-23-2003, 08:11 AM	#783
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Oh man, I am so bad at this. Gil-galad: Only High Kings of the Noldor? Lorien: Only Vala? Borondir: Only man? Earendil: Which one?? Nimrodel: Only female? __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

06-23-2003, 04:19 PM	#784
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Sorry, none of those are what I'm looking for. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] Just to clarify...Earendil is the mariner. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-23-2003, 09:04 PM	#785
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Borondir never saw the Sea. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

06-23-2003, 09:35 PM	#786
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Maybe...but that's not it. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

06-24-2003, 02:57 AM	#787
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Borondir: the only one to have escaped near-death (lol rather weak I know) [ June 24, 2003: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

06-24-2003, 03:19 AM	#788
Lasgalen Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 101	Nimrodel-only one to have a river named after her? __________________ When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil.

06-24-2003, 08:47 AM	#789
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Nope, and nope. Okay, here is a hint: All five people have something in common, but with one of them this one thing is a little different. I hope that made some sort of sense. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

07-06-2003, 06:27 PM	#790
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Hmm, another hint perhaps, alak? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-06-2003, 10:15 PM	#791
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	I understand, but it doesn't really make it any easier. Remembering the time someone else gave me a clue which I more or less ignored and still got the answer, I'm going to say Lorien. He was the only one who did not make some sort of sacrifice/gamble (Gil-Galad destroying Sauron at the cost of his own life, Nimrodel willing to endure perils to reach Amroth, Borondir running a gauntlet to reach Eorl, Earendil taking on the burden of the doom of the Children of Illuvitar).

07-07-2003, 02:22 PM	#792
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	There is some kind of link I would guess with a journey or a message. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-07-2003, 04:20 PM	#793
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	I have take out Lorien, because that was not what was in my head at the time (so sorry)...I was thinking of Varda, so I have replaced it with Elbereth. I have also added two more names that have the same thing in common as the others. Gil-galad Elbereth Borondir Earendil Nimrodel Boromir Eärendil (the Mariner) __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

07-08-2003, 02:32 AM	#794
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Well that totally changes things. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Borondir, who was the only non-regal person.

07-08-2003, 07:40 AM	#795
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Now I'm even more confused. I've looked up Earendil of Gondor on the Encyclopaedia of Arda and they basically say he did absolutely nothing! __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

07-08-2003, 07:45 AM	#796
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Okay, Lalaith, it's Earendil the Mariner. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] This will be a huge hint...the thing they all have in common is the way they were remembered. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!