gandalf and sarumon

[Morima]

Thanks, Legalos :-). I read that on the Encyclopædia of Arda. Never knew about that quote.

WarBringer, I agree with you. That's another of Middle-Earths mysteries, it seems. But I don't think the theory holds, Keneldil, although it seems to. Cause the reason why Morgoths hatred made his power diminish, was that he messed up his own sake by being to hasty about it. He wanted to destroy the people he hated, and that quickly.

But wait, I remember something Treebeard said about Saruman, about this: "He was always hasty. That was his ruin." Seems like Saruman at least had that in common with Morgoth. And it seems like you're right after all, Keneldil. But still, that shouldn't have anything to do with Gandalf, cause even though Saruman doesn't like Gandalf, he is cautious from showing it (until he imprisons him, of course :-).

I have given the other wizars some thought. Cause I think I've read that the only Istar who did NOT fail, was Gandalf (he was the only Istar who was ALLOWED to return to Aman). Every other Istar was sent to Middle-Earth in order to destroy Sauron, but they became fascinated of Middle-Earth and did not care about Sauron, except from Saruman, who eventually joined him instead.

So I can believe that Saruman was rejected from returning home, but I think the Valar are strict about the other three! Maybe it is because the didn't really want to. After all, we never hear anything else from them.