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Old 11-09-2003, 06:20 PM   #11
Aiwendil
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Of course, in the end, this doesn't matter. The role of Turin in the Dagor Dagorath seems to have disappeared from Tolkien's writings slowly. In the early 1950s, in the Annals of Aman, there is still a reference connecting Menelmacar, Turin, and the Dagor Dagorath, but a few years later Tolkien wrote the note which ends the published Quenta SIlmarillion, which illustrates that the Second Prophecy of Mandos has essentially disappeared.
It's not quite as clear-cut as that, however, for there is in fact a reference to Dagor Dagorath dating from 1972, in the fragment in alliterative verse connected with the Istari material (in UT).

So it would seem unless this is mere forgetfulness, that some sort of prophecy remained. There is also some implication in "Myths Transformed" that Morgoth would eventually return. At this late stage, however, the prophecy could not have included Turin, unless the prophecy of Andreth was rejected.

Perhaps the end of the Valaquenta, to which you referred, does not necessarily mean the rejection of the prophecy. It could be that the prophecy was no longer "the Second Prophecy of Mandos" and thus ". . . but they have not revealed it, and it is not declared in the dooms of Mandos" is not contradicted. Or perhaps there are differing traditions.
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