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Old 08-03-2002, 02:43 PM   #4
Kuruharan
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Kuruharan is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.Kuruharan is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.Kuruharan is battling Black Riders on Weathertop.
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Didn't have time to fall under Ring spell.
But let's take a look at some of his accomplishments to see.

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Stormed an orc tower, slaying their captain
Only two orcs were left. Didn't kill Shagrat (who was the Captain). He killed Snaga almost by accident, so I don't really think that counts as a mighty deed.

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Raided the orc tower fdr diguises and food
Not so hard considering it was empty.

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First up he beat Gollum in a back attack (which gollum said no-one has done before)
That was before he got the Ring, but we'll give him the point anyway.

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Killed the decendant of a very powerful Maia (or mortally wounded)
That takes guts and no lie. But it was also before he got the Ring.

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Won a power of wills against two ancient, malice filled spirits
Go Sam!

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Rescued Frodo
Yippeee!

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Then gave up the ring very willingly to Frodo, which all the other ringbearers did very grudgingly
That was probably his greatest accomplishment when he carried the Ring. But I think that he was only able to do it because he had the Ring only a few hours.

You also left off one of Sam's better accomplishments in his defeating the delusions that assailed him when he was going into Mordor.

As for Frodo you left off that he actually managed to make it. Sam actually only carried him a very little bit. Frodo made the rest of the trip himself.

I think that they were suited for their own roles and did them to the best of their ability. I'm not sure that you could really compare them because they were not called to do the same things.

obloquy: tsk! tsk! You can't prove Goldberry had a fea any more than you can't prove that Ungoliant was a Maia. It said that she came from "Outside" Arda which narrows the possibilities considerably. The possibility exists that she was Maia.
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[ August 03, 2002: Message edited by: Kuruharan ]
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