Tolkien- For the Love of Eowyn! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kronos · 02-06-2004, 09:50 AM

What do I mean lack of passion? Well let’s see, its not too difficult to pick some examples. In fact I will just use yours.

Aragorn meets Arwen. If by this you mean the scene in ROTK then I can only assume we have vastly different definitions about what constitutes passion. This guy has supposedly gone though endless trials for her, defeated Sauron for her, won a Kingdom for her, and she turns up like a prize in the Price is Right.
I’m sorry but Aragorn/Arwen is passionate in the same sense as Mallory’s King Arthur is.

i.e. Not at all.

Next we have Eowyn meeting Aragorn. Well I don’t really see someone thinking that they love someone but actually being in love with the “lordly” part of his nature that passionate.

And Faramir. The same Faramir who falls in love with Eowyn and she with him in about a week. Sorry but I failed to see any great passion within their chapter. It was more a case of Tolkien saying to himself “well here’s a loose end I can tie up nicely” when he really should have had the balls to have Eowyn die of her wounds.

None of these people know anything of passion. Who of them gives up anything for love? Aragorn? He gives up nothing. So he wins a Kingdom for her. He wanted to win it anyway. Faramir/Eowyn, it’s an affair of convenience.
Arwen giving up mortality for Aragorn, this has more to do with the symbolic echoes of Luthien, the symbolic rebirth of Men than anything else. Certainly we see no sign of the “passion” that could engender it.

It is very illuminating that the most passionate relationships in the book are either same sex (Sam for Frodo) or with objects (Gollum and the Ring). But women?
These guys don’t even know what they are.

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02-06-2004, 09:50 AM	#1
Kronos Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 47	What do I mean lack of passion? Well let’s see, its not too difficult to pick some examples. In fact I will just use yours. Aragorn meets Arwen. If by this you mean the scene in ROTK then I can only assume we have vastly different definitions about what constitutes passion. This guy has supposedly gone though endless trials for her, defeated Sauron for her, won a Kingdom for her, and she turns up like a prize in the Price is Right. I’m sorry but Aragorn/Arwen is passionate in the same sense as Mallory’s King Arthur is. i.e. Not at all. Next we have Eowyn meeting Aragorn. Well I don’t really see someone thinking that they love someone but actually being in love with the “lordly” part of his nature that passionate. And Faramir. The same Faramir who falls in love with Eowyn and she with him in about a week. Sorry but I failed to see any great passion within their chapter. It was more a case of Tolkien saying to himself “well here’s a loose end I can tie up nicely” when he really should have had the balls to have Eowyn die of her wounds. None of these people know anything of passion. Who of them gives up anything for love? Aragorn? He gives up nothing. So he wins a Kingdom for her. He wanted to win it anyway. Faramir/Eowyn, it’s an affair of convenience. Arwen giving up mortality for Aragorn, this has more to do with the symbolic echoes of Luthien, the symbolic rebirth of Men than anything else. Certainly we see no sign of the “passion” that could engender it. It is very illuminating that the most passionate relationships in the book are either same sex (Sam for Frodo) or with objects (Gollum and the Ring). But women? These guys don’t even know what they are.