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Old 07-25-2003, 09:38 AM   #9
Lord of Angmar
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I think you are wrong, Gwaihir. I think they cannot be held entirely accountable simply because they were corrupted and enslaved by a force far greater than they, and because of their enslavement and their hideousness they were hated forever by Elves and Men. But obviously, did they not serve Morgoth or Sauron, at least a few of them would wish not to meddle in the affairs of the other races of Middle-earth, as illustrated in Shagrat and Gorbag's conversation in the Two Towers.


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Do you realise this to mean that everything is rooted in his creation? Melkor included, and if he wasn't totally evil I don't know who is.
No, that was not my point. I wasn't referring to individuals, as I know that any individual can have a mastering trait of evil and malevolence, as clearly Melkor did. I was referring to races as a whole, and certainly you could not say that all of the Ainur, or more specifically all the Valar, were in any way, shape or form evil, although Melkor certainly was.

I am not implying that NO ORC is entirely evil, but rather that as a race they appear utterly evil mostly because of the enslavement of their will's to an evil master. If the orcs were free of this evil master (be it Sauron or Morgoth), I would choose to take pity on them and leave them alone, as Aragorn the King of Gondor decided to do after he won the War of the Ring, giving them a land of their own. I doubt King Elessar would give any land in his kingdom to an unpitiable and entirely evil race.
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