The Two Towers: Deleted Scenes - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Feanor of the Peredhil · 02-12-2003, 01:24 PM

Not to complain, but the only time I'll truly be dazzled, awed, and all that by "The Two Towers" is when I see the Extended Edition. I loved the movie, but there are some scenes that I'm really mad weren't included (not the cut end, with the dealing with Saruman and the Palantir, or Shelob). It's some of the little things. Faramir's group was done remarkably well, and apart from the excursion to Osgiliath, it was almost perfect. The method he discovered the ring in was a bit off, but all problems aside, I want to see some other parts. It went too quickly. I wanted to see the "pseudo-trial" of Frodo and Sam in the woods of Ithilien, and especially the meal they all sat down to in Henneth Anun, with Faramir's prayer to the west. The Ents, I am certain, will be elaborated upon greatly, from a Quickbeam cameo to more entmoot, it will probably be helpful in seeing more of entish (and huorn) behavior.And there will be more.

Amanaduial the archer · 02-12-2003, 01:37 PM

Shelob will be in the second one. Gollum said at the end that he would 'lead them to Her.'

eleanor_niphredil · 02-12-2003, 01:51 PM

unless Arwen has turned evil, and she is HER. shock, horror, could it be?

Peri · 02-12-2003, 02:27 PM

I think they did a terrible job with their portrayal of Faramir. If you read the book, you'll realize that that is not him at all. As for deleted scenes, it doesn't really bother me because I know they will be on the E.V. also, the movies are long enough as it is.

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-12-2003, 02:44 PM

Amanduila- Shelob will be in RoTK.

Alphaelin · 02-13-2003, 12:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Unless Arwen has turned evil, and SHE is her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL Elanor! I have seriously considered telling TD who won't read the trilogy that Shelob is a giant hamster gone bad. I like the Arwen theory too, lol. Or perhaps an evil penguin? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Birdland · 02-13-2003, 01:22 AM

There's one scene that I would love to see in the Extended Version, but rumor has it that it will be in the third film, though I don't see how.It's the murder of Deagol. You can almost sense where it should be placed: when Frodo is speaking to Gollum, and says, "You were once a hobbit..." Then you would see the flashback scene of Deagol and Smeagol finding the Ring. Then at the end of that scene, you would go back to the dialog between Frodo and Gollum.Also it was promised that there would be scenes of Faramir finding the body of Boromir in the Elven boat, but that seems to have disappeared, as well as any reference to whether Frodo knew that Boromir was dead. I am hoping very much that these scenes will be inserted back in the Extended Edition.

Lossentilien · 02-15-2003, 10:41 AM

In one of the books- visual companion maybe??- there's stuff about Elrond holding a council to decide about sending Elves to Helms Deep. The stuff with Brego makes sense too, some people got confused and thought that Aragorn had mistaken Brego for Arwen, cause they filmed a scene between Aragorn and Theodin explaining it.

gilraën · 02-15-2003, 04:46 PM

Yes I posted somewhere earlier about that book, 'the photo story' I think it's called? As well as those Lossentilien describes, is a scene where Faramir leads Frodo et al underneath Osgiliath, through the sewers, to get back to the other side of the river. It would also explain why they ended up on the 'wrong' side of the river and got past the orcs.

Liriodendron · 02-15-2003, 06:37 PM

I have that book. It's called "The LoTR, TTT Photo Guide. (It has stickers of the characters too! Must be intended for kids, oh well! )*The Rangers reach Osgiliath, once one of the greatest cities in all of Gondor, but now in ruins after years of war. Faramir intends to take Frodo with him to the city of Minas Tirith and use the Ring in their struggle against Sauron. Sam pleads with him: "The Ring will not save Gondor." Faramir finally sees the evil in the ring and realizes that it is impossible to use for good. He is persuaded to let Frodo, Sam and Gollum continue their journey to Mordor, and leads them to the old sewers, in which they can pass underneath the patrolling orcs. "Go, Frodo, go with the good will of all Men."*

02-15-2003, 09:05 PM

It will be interesting to see what was cut out of TTT. I didn't like the way the put Faramir into the story. He wasn't like his character in the book. ANd yes, Shelob will be in ROTK.

gilraën · 02-16-2003, 04:12 AM

Yes Liriodendron that's it, I bought it for a 5 year old LOTR fan.

Lady Iverin · 02-16-2003, 01:19 PM

I agree when you say that PJ's(Peter Jackson)portrayel of Faramir was so wrong. He was a very nice person in the book. And the reason why they took out a ton of stuff in TTT is because they put in things that made no sense. That probably means that they won't put everything in ROTK. Oh well...

dunadan_aragorn · 02-16-2003, 05:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Unless Arwen has turned evil, and SHE is her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hahahahahahhahaha! "She has turned to the dark side now" hohohoooohooohoo I's like, "I AM your father" or mother, or whatever.

Frodo Baggins · 02-17-2003, 07:29 AM

Arwen: "No, Frodo. I am your mother." hahahahahahahaha Ohhh that was funny! Anyway..... I have been wondering about our dear Faramir. I thought as I saw the movie, "What happened to our saintly wizard's pupil. (yet another reason Denethor had trouble with his second son. He didn't like Gandalf. Denethor AND Theoden were both told by Aragorn disguised as Thorongil to heed Gandalf the Grey but nooooooooooooooo. But that's another story.)As for the murder of Deagol, rumor has it that will be in ROTK. I sorely missed the infamous tossing of the Palantir, let's hope that in ROTK too. Now, in the sneek peek (yes I intentionally spelled it that way) of TTT on the theatrical version of FOTR, Elrond had this line that goes something like this, "If we cannt trust in the strength of men, we must trust in the victory of Sauron." Right after I saw TTT I realized that scene was missing. Another scenen added to the extended version perhaps? Rumor also has it that there will be son entdraghut drinking in the extended version too. So much was cut out of TTT that they are either going to have to stick some of it in the extended version OR put it in ROTK.

Birdland · 02-18-2003, 05:17 AM

Has anyone heard any rumors about scenes where Gandalf is healed and clothed in white in Lorien, (after his return to M-E from whereever he went)? I'm not saying that I have heard any myself, but it would be neat if they covered some of that in the film. I was thinking that the small scene with Galadriel we did see in TT might have come from an interaction between her and Gandalf.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-18-2003, 08:45 AM

The story of Deagol/Smeagol and the Ring is in the picture book accompaniment to TTT, as are photos like the one of Deagol and Smeagol in the boat.So it seems a pretty safe bet that these scenes will be in the extended version. And Birdland is clearly right. In the Dead Marshes, when Frodo calls Gollum Smeagol, the camera focusses on his (Gollum's) face as though he was going into flashback mode. So that's surely where these scenes will be.

02-12-2003, 01:24 PM	#1
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	The Two Towers: Deleted Scenes Not to complain, but the only time I'll truly be dazzled, awed, and all that by "The Two Towers" is when I see the Extended Edition. I loved the movie, but there are some scenes that I'm really mad weren't included (not the cut end, with the dealing with Saruman and the Palantir, or Shelob). It's some of the little things. <P>Faramir's group was done remarkably well, and apart from the excursion to Osgiliath, it was almost perfect. The method he discovered the ring in was a bit off, but all problems aside, I want to see some other parts. It went too quickly. I wanted to see the "pseudo-trial" of Frodo and Sam in the woods of Ithilien, and especially the meal they all sat down to in Henneth Anun, with Faramir's prayer to the west. <P>The Ents, I am certain, will be elaborated upon greatly, from a Quickbeam cameo to more entmoot, it will probably be helpful in seeing more of entish (and huorn) behavior.<P>And there will be more. __________________ peace

02-12-2003, 01:37 PM	#2
Amanaduial the archer Shadow of Starlight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dancing among the ledgerlines... Posts: 2,347	Shelob will be in the second one. Gollum said at the end that he would 'lead them to Her.' __________________ I am what I was, a harmless little devil

02-12-2003, 01:51 PM	#3
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	unless Arwen has turned evil, and she is HER. shock, horror, could it be? __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

02-12-2003, 02:27 PM	#4
Peri Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 124	I think they did a terrible job with their portrayal of Faramir. If you read the book, you'll realize that that is not him at all. As for deleted scenes, it doesn't really bother me because I know they will be on the E.V. also, the movies are long enough as it is. __________________ "Ah, but I'll begowk ye there!" cried the gentleman. "Play me false, and I'll play you cunning."

02-12-2003, 02:44 PM	#5
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Amanduila- Shelob will be in RoTK. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-13-2003, 12:18 AM	#6
Alphaelin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tottering about in the Wild Posts: 130	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Unless Arwen has turned evil, and SHE is her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>ROTFL Elanor! I have seriously considered telling TD who won't read the trilogy that Shelob is a giant hamster gone bad. I like the Arwen theory too, lol. <P>Or perhaps an evil penguin? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! __________________ Not all those who wander are lost . . . because some of us know how to read a map.

02-13-2003, 01:22 AM	#7
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	There's one scene that I would love to see in the Extended Version, but rumor has it that it will be in the third film, though I don't see how.<P>It's the murder of Deagol. You can almost sense where it should be placed: when Frodo is speaking to Gollum, and says, "You were once a hobbit..." Then you would see the flashback scene of Deagol and Smeagol finding the Ring. Then at the end of that scene, you would go back to the dialog between Frodo and Gollum.<P>Also it was promised that there would be scenes of Faramir finding the body of Boromir in the Elven boat, but that seems to have disappeared, as well as any reference to whether Frodo knew that Boromir was dead. <P>I am hoping very much that these scenes will be inserted back in the Extended Edition.

02-15-2003, 10:41 AM	#8
Lossentilien Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: lost in a web of intrigue Posts: 123	In one of the books- visual companion maybe??- there's stuff about Elrond holding a council to decide about sending Elves to Helms Deep. The stuff with Brego makes sense too, some people got confused and thought that Aragorn had mistaken Brego for Arwen, cause they filmed a scene between Aragorn and Theodin explaining it. __________________ "Can I cry as much as I want? The white snow falls and hides my tears." Imladris

02-15-2003, 04:46 PM	#9
gilraën Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 804	Yes I posted somewhere earlier about that book, 'the photo story' I think it's called? As well as those Lossentilien describes, is a scene where Faramir leads Frodo et al underneath Osgiliath, through the sewers, to get back to the other side of the river. It would also explain why they ended up on the 'wrong' side of the river and got past the orcs. __________________ "Onen i-Estel Edain, u-chebin estel anim"

02-15-2003, 06:37 PM	#10
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	I have that book. It's called "The LoTR, TTT Photo Guide. (It has stickers of the characters too! Must be intended for kids, oh well! )<P>The Rangers reach Osgiliath, once one of the greatest cities in all of Gondor, but now in ruins after years of war. Faramir intends to take Frodo with him to the city of Minas Tirith and use the Ring in their struggle against Sauron. Sam pleads with him: "The Ring will not save Gondor." <BR>Faramir finally sees the evil in the ring and realizes that it is impossible to use for good. He is persuaded to let Frodo, Sam and Gollum continue their journey to Mordor, and leads them to the old sewers, in which they can pass underneath the patrolling orcs. "Go, Frodo, go with the good will of all Men." __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

02-15-2003, 09:05 PM	#11
SteelNazgulS Guest Posts: n/a	It will be interesting to see what was cut out of TTT. I didn't like the way the put Faramir into the story. He wasn't like his character in the book. ANd yes, Shelob will be in ROTK.

02-16-2003, 04:12 AM	#12
gilraën Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 804	Yes Liriodendron that's it, I bought it for a 5 year old LOTR fan. <BR> __________________ "Onen i-Estel Edain, u-chebin estel anim"

02-16-2003, 01:19 PM	#13
Lady Iverin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: far, far away Posts: 79	I agree when you say that PJ's(Peter Jackson)portrayel of Faramir was so wrong. He was a very nice person in the book. And the reason why they took out a ton of stuff in TTT is because they put in things that made no sense. That probably means that they won't put everything in ROTK. Oh well... __________________ ~O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember, we who dwell in this far land beneath the trees, Thy starlight on the Western seas.~

02-16-2003, 05:30 PM	#14
dunadan_aragorn Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the bowels of Moria Posts: 105	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Unless Arwen has turned evil, and SHE is her. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hahahahahahhahaha! "She has turned to the dark side now" hohohoooohooohoo I's like, "I AM your father" or mother, or whatever. __________________ Allia Octa Est, The Die is Cast -Julius Ceaser

02-17-2003, 07:29 AM	#15
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Arwen: "No, Frodo. I am your mother."<P> hahahahahahahaha<P> Ohhh that was funny! Anyway.....<P><BR> I have been wondering about our dear Faramir. I thought as I saw the movie, "What happened to our saintly wizard's pupil. (yet another reason Denethor had trouble with his second son. He didn't like Gandalf. Denethor AND Theoden were both told by Aragorn disguised as Thorongil to heed Gandalf the Grey but nooooooooooooooo. But that's another story.)<P>As for the murder of Deagol, rumor has it that will be in ROTK. I sorely missed the infamous tossing of the Palantir, let's hope that in ROTK too. <P> Now, in the sneek peek (yes I intentionally spelled it that way) of TTT on the theatrical version of FOTR, Elrond had this line that goes something like this, "If we cannt trust in the strength of men, we must trust in the victory of Sauron." Right after I saw TTT I realized that scene was missing. Another scenen added to the extended version perhaps? <P> Rumor also has it that there will be son entdraghut drinking in the extended version too. So much was cut out of TTT that they are either going to have to stick some of it in the extended version OR put it in ROTK. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

02-18-2003, 05:17 AM	#16
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	Has anyone heard any rumors about scenes where Gandalf is healed and clothed in white in Lorien, (after his return to M-E from whereever he went)? I'm not saying that I have heard any myself, but it would be neat if they covered some of that in the film. <P>I was thinking that the small scene with Galadriel we did see in TT might have come from an interaction between her and Gandalf.

02-18-2003, 08:45 AM	#17
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	The story of Deagol/Smeagol and the Ring is in the picture book accompaniment to TTT, as are photos like the one of Deagol and Smeagol in the boat.<P>So it seems a pretty safe bet that these scenes will be in the extended version. And Birdland is clearly right. In the Dead Marshes, when Frodo calls Gollum Smeagol, the camera focusses on his (Gollum's) face as though he was going into flashback mode. So that's surely where these scenes will be. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

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