** Revising The Voyage of Earendil

[Findegil]

First the simple things:
About Ingwiel/Ingwion/Finarfin: I agree with Aiwendil, that Ingwion son of Ingwe was the chief of the Vanyar and that Finarfin led the Nodor of Valinor. Petty Dwarf’s second edition of the text seems good to me. If we are going to take the emendation to the typescript as the only valid story, then this must mean that Ingwion was the leader of all the Elves of Valinor, or so I think.

Posted by Aiwendil:

"Quendi" from QS refers to the first kindred of the Elves. It should be changed to "Vanyar".

Did I understand you right that in QS "Quendi" always referred to the first kindred of the Elves? I really don't know it is some time since I have read in QS. If so, than you are clearly right and it should be changed to Vanyar.

Gil-galad situation: I have interpreted the note about Gil-galads parentage strictly when I made my proposed changes. But Aiwendil has a point at least with the "escaped". It does not provide the way in which he was spared from death in the fall of Nargothrond. And since I also see some difficulties in the fact that he was not mentioned at all during Túrins stay in Nargothrond, I suppose we should really send him to the Havens of the Falas in 456. If I think about it Orodreth had any reason to do so. He was still the Lord of Tol Sirion in that year and since the defeat at the Bargollach things looked really dangerous for him (as they became the year after with Sauron taking the Isle). So to send his son for his safekeeping and for adduction to a befriended lord, in this case Círdan, is very probable.
But the interpretation of Sirions mouth as the complete region is less likely for me (even so I suggested that myself).
So in my mind the story seems to be that he was send to the havens of the Falas and fled with Círdan to the Isle of Balar. Círdan's foothold at the mouth of Sirion is for me the first beginning of what would become the Havens of Sirion. When Gil-galad learned of the death of Turgon and took up the title of the King of the Noldor in Middle-Earth, he moved to the Haven of Sirion were the most of his people lived. Thus we have avoided the fanfic to introduce Gil-Galad in the Narn by holding the Note about him being send to Círdan and we have taken the not about his parentage and his being "at the mouth of Sirion" in to account.
That would produce:
VE-02/03:

Yet by Sirion and the sea there grew up an elven folk, the gleanings of Gondolin and Doriath[.] The Silmaril brought blessing upon them and Idril wore the Elessar upon her breast and they were healed, and they multiplied; and from Balar the mariners of Círdan came among them. And<PG {Ereinion} [Rodnor] Gil-galad son of Orodreth, who had escaped the fall of Nargothrond {and come}came to Sirion's Mouth{,}and was <QS77 named> King of the Noldor there.>{, and}And they took to the waves and {the making of fair ships}the building of ships and built a haven, dwelling ever nigh unto the shores of Arvernien, upon the delta amid the waters under the shadow of Ulmo's hand. Many fugitives gathered unto them.

The problem with that is that we have know no groups left. Gil-Galad is King of the Noldor and Eärendil cannot be Lord of Lothrim because there are no other Noldor save the Lothrim.
So we must change VE-08:

Bright {Earendel}[Eärendil] was then a lord of the folk of Sirion and their many ships; and he took to wife Elwing the fair, and she bore him Elros and Elrond, who are called the Halfelven.

He is now just one of the Lords of the peoples and to give some examples for Person that qualify for being also lords, I will name Galdor and Egalmoth.
And also we have to find a new solution for VE-09:

Upon the havens of Sirion new woe had fallen. The dwelling of Elwing there, where still she possessed the Nauglamír and the glorious Silmaril, became known unto the remaining sons of Fëanor, {Maidros}[Maedhros] and Maglor and {Damrod}[Amrod]{ and {Díriel} [Amras]}; and they gathered together from their wandering hunting-paths, and messages of friendship and yet stern demand they sent unto Sirion. But Elwing and the folk of Sirion would not yield that jewel which Beren had won and Lúthien had worn, and for which Dior the Fair was slain; and least of all while {Eärendel their lord}[Eärendil] was in the sea, for them seemed that in that jewel lay the gift of bliss and healing that had come upon their houses and their ships.

I simply skipped his lordship and find it works very well.
Also I like to amend again VE-10:

And so came in the end to pass the last and cruellest of the slayings of Elf by Elf; and that was the third of the great wrongs achieved by the accursed oath. For the sons of Fëanor came down upon the exiles of Gondolin and the remnant of Doriath and destroyed them. Though some of their folk stood aside, and some few rebelled and were slain upon the other part aiding Elwing against their own lords (for such was the sorrow and confusion of the hearts of {Elfinesse}[Elvenesse] in those days), yet {Maidros}[Maedhros] and Maglor won the day. Alone they now remained of the sons of Fëanor, for in that battle {Damrod and {Díriel}[Amras] were}[Amrod was] slain; but the folk of Sirion perished or fled away, or departed of need to join the people of {Maidros,}[Maedhros.]/*<FG Egalmoth was the lord of the house of the Heavenly Arch, and got even out of the burning of Gondolin, and dwelt after at the mouth of Sirion, but was slain in {a}[that] dire battle{ there when Melko seized Elwing}.>*\{, who claimed now}[ Maedhros now claimed] the lordship of all the Elves of the Hither Lands{. And yet Maidros}[ and yet he] gained not the Silmaril, for Elwing seeing that all was lost and her children Elros and Elrond taken captive, eluded the host of {Maidros}[Maedhros], and with the Nauglamír upon her breast she cast herself into the sea, and perished as folk thought.<QS77 Too late the ships of Círdan{ and Gil-galad the High King} came hasting to the aid of the Elves of Sirion; and Elwing was gone, and her sons. Then such few of that people as did not perish in the assault led by{joined themselves to} Gil-galad{,} and<FG Galdor{ was} that valiant {Gnome}[Noldor] who led the men of the Tree in many a charge and yet won out of Gondolin and even the onslaught{ of Melko} upon the dwellers at Sirion's mouth {and went back to the ruins with Earendel.} went with {him}[Círdan] to Balar; and they told that Elros and Elrond were taken captive{,}[.]

I changed the order of the inserted passages to bring it more in its natural order. I skipped my first addition of Gil-galad, because it is not necessary at all. Also I added the fates of Egalmoth and Galdor since that added some info to the battle. At least Galdor should be named since he is possibly the later Galdor of the Havens in the council of Elrond.

Respectfully
Findegil

[Maédhros]

I changed the order of the inserted passages to bring it more in its natural order. I skipped my first addition of Gil-galad, because it is not necessary at all. Also I added the fates of Egalmoth and Galdor since that added some info to the battle. At least Galdor should be named since he is possibly the later Galdor of the Havens in the council of Elrond.

I really do not like at all, this addition. It seems to much of a liberty for us to take in this.
Also, I don't think that it is mutually exclusive for us to have Gil-Galad, regardless of whether he left to go with Círdan, for him not to be at Sirions Mouth in the time of the attack of the Fëanorians.
I rather liked Findegil use of the Lothrim in there. Also, if we follow the idea that Sirions Mouth refers to the area in general and not exaclty to the Mouths of Sirion it can work, now that we know that Círdan kept a foothold in the Mouths of Sirion.

[Antoine]

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