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Old 03-28-2004, 08:57 PM   #1
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Is it not therefore the height of irony that the hunky, sizzling Roggie never had anyone devoted enough to him to weave him a flameproof banner?
Exactly the point I was about to bring up, mark, as he was definitely the hottest creature in Middle Earth, apart from Denethor.
Love the linguistics lesson Bethberry, my favorite word is "etymology"...

But as for swooning, that's kind of only for movie-fans, and not really applicable to those who love the books in addition, i.e. everyone on Barrowdowns. And it wouldn't really be Aragorn we would swoon over, but Viggo, in which case, it would be better if done on his fan site. But if we were to swoon over Aragorn as the character in the book, I wonder if that would be different?
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:22 PM   #2
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If I might try my hand at swooning complexities.

Webster's New Collegate Dictionary defines swoon;
1. Swoon: a) faint, b) to become enraptured, c) FLOAT, FADE
2. Swoon: a) A total or partial loss of consciousness, b) DAZE, RAPTURE, c) a languourous drift

Now then, to simplify matters, I am male. This excludes me from the common swooning circles of life, sadly. Now, fainting is an all too common occurence. I could understand fainting as a result of hearing the haphazardly dashing exploits of Elessar Telcontar, that certainly makes sense, even for us males, via technicality. I don't believe my gender would be 'enraptured' by Aragorn or any other warrior of Tolkeindom per se, but I could also understand floating or fading.

Of course, that seems a more common linking to Earendil or perhaps the floating Halls of Mandos. Are we talking about fading because of Aragorn? Maybe we are to place ourselves in the shoes of some darkened souls, fear I believe they are called, and thus fade from Arda's continuum. Maybe, like Curumo, we are now doomed to fade and float like the houseless. Is that what we're going for here? Also, languourous drift would seem to imply dangling in the emptyness of time.

So, in conclusion, I assume that swooning over Aragorn means that we are relating the point of view of a servant of the enemy, who has been banished by the righteous gem of Estel to fate, floate, and drift languourously.
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:29 PM   #3
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So, in conclusion, I assume that swooning over Aragorn means that we are relating the point of view of a servant of the enemy, who has been banished by the righteous gem of Estel to fate, floate, and drift languourously.
In which case it would be easier to swoon over Leggy and Gimli, as they travel by ship to the Grey Havens? Oh wait, Aragorn took over the corsair ship. Is it safe to say that his companions were swooning?

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Old 03-28-2004, 09:37 PM   #4
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In which case it would be easier to swoon over Leggy and Gimli, as they travel by ship to the Grey Havens? Oh wait, Aragorn took over the corsair ship. Is it safe to say that his companions were swooning? ...
Therein lies the secondary meaning, Either the swooning is very symbolic, ala references to houseless spirits, or it is blatant and obvious. Thus, swooning could be in fact a seward reference, in which case I finally understand your choosing of Aragorn, son of Arathorn. He was, at least somewhat, a man who had seafaring knowledge.

Honestly, I believe that the more likely swooning candidates are, as Lady Snickerdoodle said, Gimli and Legolas, who travelled across the sea. But, the ideal candidates are, in fact, Earendil the Mariner, noble sailor who slew Ancalagon, Cirdan the Bearded Elven Shipwright of the Grey Havens, or Isengrim the Mariner, the little known hobbit of seafaring fame.
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:55 PM   #5
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There are a great many swooners known to us, in fact, among them Samwise and Frodo the hobbits, Galadriel, Lady of Lothlorien, Mithrandir, and Elrond Peredhil, to name but a few. All of these might be considered to have swooned if we assume that all who have travelled by sea have swooned indeed and left the world...... But in that case, we are taken again to the dilemma of houseless spirits, and our conundrum becomes ever more complicated. This question of meaning in context is rather more than one scholar can define.
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Old 03-29-2004, 03:06 AM   #6
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Hello. Thanks for all who have put their contribution on here. When i refer to swooning i don't just mean drooling over how gorgeous Aragorn looks. I also swooned over Aragorn in the book. Tolkien wrote the charactor in order for him to be attractive to women in Middle Earth. Arwen, Eowyn and Galadriel to me found him to be attractive (correct me if i'm wrong).

Other sites that i'm a member of have swoon threads for all the charactors even the undesirable ones, they are threads for fans to drool over if they wish and for them to talk about their favourite charactor. One thread I always log on to is called the DSG Aragorn Haven, so it is for lighthearted swooning and to talk about the charactor and the Actor Viggo.

Surely on this site you could have seperate threads for each of the charactors and enemies etc. Even on a book site like this. When i read the books i wanted to talk about the charactors.
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Old 03-29-2004, 02:20 PM   #7
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more likely swooning candidates are, as Lady Snickerdoodle said, Gimli and Legolas, who travelled across the sea. But, the ideal candidates are, in fact, Earendil the Mariner, noble sailor who slew Ancalagon, Cirdan the Bearded Elven Shipwright of the Grey Havens, or Isengrim the Mariner, the little known hobbit of seafaring fame
Worthy suggestions, I am sure; worthy suggestions. But if we are to talk about floating, fading, and daze, surely Roggie takes the prize. Those who have been torched are sure to fade first, then daze, then float. Besides, nobody with eyeliner like Roggie wears could possibly be overshadowed by any elf (elves being well-known for eschewing makeup of any kind.)

In fact I assert that had Feanor's opponents been wearing the proper eyeliner, even The Fiery Spirit Himself could not have prevailed. No, as Lush taught us all long ago, eyeliner is key. And Roggie Rules.
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