Aragorn swoon thread!

[Kransha]

Originally Posted by Lady Snickerdoodle

In which case it would be easier to swoon over Leggy and Gimli, as they travel by ship to the Grey Havens? Oh wait, Aragorn took over the corsair ship. Is it safe to say that his companions were swooning? ...

Therein lies the secondary meaning, Either the swooning is very symbolic, ala references to houseless spirits, or it is blatant and obvious. Thus, swooning could be in fact a seward reference, in which case I finally understand your choosing of Aragorn, son of Arathorn. He was, at least somewhat, a man who had seafaring knowledge.

Honestly, I believe that the more likely swooning candidates are, as Lady Snickerdoodle said, Gimli and Legolas, who travelled across the sea. But, the ideal candidates are, in fact, Earendil the Mariner, noble sailor who slew Ancalagon, Cirdan the Bearded Elven Shipwright of the Grey Havens, or Isengrim the Mariner, the little known hobbit of seafaring fame.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

There are a great many swooners known to us, in fact, among them Samwise and Frodo the hobbits, Galadriel, Lady of Lothlorien, Mithrandir, and Elrond Peredhil, to name but a few. All of these might be considered to have swooned if we assume that all who have travelled by sea have swooned indeed and left the world...... But in that case, we are taken again to the dilemma of houseless spirits, and our conundrum becomes ever more complicated. This question of meaning in context is rather more than one scholar can define.

[Araswooon]

Hello. Thanks for all who have put their contribution on here. When i refer to swooning i don't just mean drooling over how gorgeous Aragorn looks. I also swooned over Aragorn in the book. Tolkien wrote the charactor in order for him to be attractive to women in Middle Earth. Arwen, Eowyn and Galadriel to me found him to be attractive (correct me if i'm wrong).

Other sites that i'm a member of have swoon threads for all the charactors even the undesirable ones, they are threads for fans to drool over if they wish and for them to talk about their favourite charactor. One thread I always log on to is called the DSG Aragorn Haven, so it is for lighthearted swooning and to talk about the charactor and the Actor Viggo.

Surely on this site you could have seperate threads for each of the charactors and enemies etc. Even on a book site like this. When i read the books i wanted to talk about the charactors.

[mark12_30]

more likely swooning candidates are, as Lady Snickerdoodle said, Gimli and Legolas, who travelled across the sea. But, the ideal candidates are, in fact, Earendil the Mariner, noble sailor who slew Ancalagon, Cirdan the Bearded Elven Shipwright of the Grey Havens, or Isengrim the Mariner, the little known hobbit of seafaring fame

Worthy suggestions, I am sure; worthy suggestions. But if we are to talk about floating, fading, and daze, surely Roggie takes the prize. Those who have been torched are sure to fade first, then daze, then float. Besides, nobody with eyeliner like Roggie wears could possibly be overshadowed by any elf (elves being well-known for eschewing makeup of any kind.)

In fact I assert that had Feanor's opponents been wearing the proper eyeliner, even The Fiery Spirit Himself could not have prevailed. No, as Lush taught us all long ago, eyeliner is key. And Roggie Rules.

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

My friends, I present you with a quote from the Tale of Beren and Lúthien:

Now Beren lay in a swoon within the perilous Gate.....

Here we must wonder at the contextual meaning of "swoon." Does this erefer to the nautical definition? If so, it may be supposed that Beren fell into a seafaring way of life, which may explain the later swooners of his line, Elrond and Aragorn among them. Earendil by marriage to Elwing completes this lineage of mariners. Where, then, does the "perilous Gate" come in? The quote is taken from the passages directly following Beren's unlucky confrontation of Caracaroth, so perhaps it is meant to mean the Gate between death and life. Thus Beren was on the brink of death, as is supported in the text. This brings us back to our other primary definition, that of unhoused spirits. So we could take the quotation to mean either that Beren became a voyager on sea-vessels, and was on the brink of death, or that he became as a swooning spirit and was about to die. This second option seems rather redundant, but both are plausible. There is, however, a third possibility, which we must not forget. It may be that the "swoon" refers indeed to such a banner as was given to Aragorn, in which case he lay within the Gate wrapped about in a banner.

One must also wonder about Roggie - if he had been gifted with a banner, seeing as "swoon" appears to be widely used in a watery sense, would it not have quenched his flame? This may have rendered him easily defeatable by Feanor, and things may indeed have run in quite a different course. And is it not fitting that Aragorn displayed at last his swoon while he swooned, or in this case, his banner gifted to him by Arwen throught Halbarad as he sailed in the fleet of Black Ships?

[mark12_30]

Roggie - if he had been gifted with a banner, seeing as "swoon" appears to be widely used in a watery sense, would it not have quenched his flame? This may have rendered him easily defeatable by Feanor, and things may indeed have run in quite a different course

The quantity of water represented by a banner would have evaporated into steam. A more pertinent question, perhaps, is what if the battle itself had been a swoon battle, taking place in a seafaring atmosphere. For instance, what if the battle had taken place in a river? The heat of the balrog would have evaporated mass quantities into steam, and visibility would have been reduced to feet or inches. How would that have affected the outcome?

Or, in a true seafaring sense, what if the swoon battle had taken place on board a sailing vessel? The vessel would perforce have ignited on contact with the balrog, and the flames would no doubt have consumed the elf; Roggie could have merely played for time.

Of course, once the boat was consumed, we know that Roggie is still a formidable foe. And he can swim, too. But he would have created quite a fog on his initial immersion!

[Luthien_ Tinuviel]

Perhaps these Balrogian powers of evaporation are the reason that swooning as applies to houseless spirits and those who have fallen unconscious is so often related to a misty or foggy state of being?

[Lady Snickerdoodle]

Originally Posted by mark12_30

The quantity of water represented by a banner would have evaporated into steam.

In which case, dearest Roggie would indeed be a very eligible swoon candidate, as not only would the steam be swooning about, but would create an optical illusion of him swooning.

[Elennar Starfire]

Originally Posted by mark12_30

Worthy suggestions, I am sure; worthy suggestions. But if we are to talk about floating, fading, and daze, surely Roggie takes the prize. Those who have been torched are sure to fade first, then daze, then float. Besides, nobody with eyeliner like Roggie wears could possibly be overshadowed by any elf (elves being well-known for eschewing makeup of any kind.)

In fact I assert that had Feanor's opponents been wearing the proper eyeliner, even The Fiery Spirit Himself could not have prevailed. No, as Lush taught us all long ago, eyeliner is key. And Roggie Rules.

On the subject of Eyeliner-What of the Easterlings? Might their most excellent Eyeliner possibly have defeated Roggie?

A more pertinent question, perhaps, is what if the battle itself had been a swoon battle, taking place in a seafaring atmosphere. For instance, what if the battle had taken place in a river? The heat of the balrog would have evaporated mass quantities into steam, and visibility would have been reduced to feet or inches. How would that have affected the outcome?

Once all the water had been evaporated by the balrog, swooning would be impossible. It would no longer be a swoon battle, and Roggie's eyeliner would prevail. Unless of course the battle involved Easterlings, they might have a chance. Or perhaps a certain pirate who is rather fond of rum...