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A Northern Soul
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Valinor
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Right; further points about the movie should be done in that forum.
Really, a majority of the elves left in Middle-earth at the time of the War of the Ring were fighting, as stated before, with Lorien against the forces across Rhovanion. Other than that, there were very few elves left in Middle-earth. The time had come to complete the shift of dominance from elves to men, as Tolkien says, was planned/destined from the beginning ("The entering into Men of the Elven-strain is indeed represented as part of a Divine Plan for the ennoblement of the Human Race, from the beginning destined to replace the Elves"). Truthfully, they should have already been gone (as Tolkien describes in the second quote provided below). In his Letters (among other places), Tolkien makes some notes about the elves not being perfect or meant to reflect perfection - they too have their weaknesses. They certainly have admirable qualities, such as their love in preserving nature, but there are flaws obvious in looking at the history of Middle-earth. Some are very obvious in the happenings of the First Age, but some are observable in the Third Age though they go often overlooked. These notes can be sort of long, but it's hard to edit them while preserving the entire thought. Quote:
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Animated Skeleton
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: U.K.
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"Bardings and the Beornings"...
What are they? Essex: Yet another comical apology. I think it must have been your name that gave the impression. (Essex girls 'n' all)
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A Northern Soul
Join Date: Dec 2001
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I'm guessing you haven't read The Hobbit. Bardings would be the men under Bard and his descendents in Dale - Bard was the man who shot down Smaug in The Hobbit. Beorn is a man with the ability to shape shift. He and his people lived just east of Mirkwood between it and the Anduin. Bilbo and the dwarves take refuge at his house with the aid of Gandalf.
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Animated Skeleton
Join Date: Apr 2004
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I havent read the Hobbit either. Thanks for the explanation though.
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Lothlorien
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It is said in the books that the leves and dwarves did fight. Just because they did not fight in the main battles with the fellowship of the ring does not mean that they just sat at home. Attacks were maid on Rivendell and Lothlorien, and I assume that most of their resources were used to repel those attacks. Also There were huge battles raging in the north when everyone was fighting in the south. This is how Dain Ironfoot died. Also I believe that the king of Esgargoth died too. Bard's grandson I believe. The elves and dwarves did fight, it's just that the books do not go into depth about it.
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines]
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