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Old 05-18-2004, 01:39 PM   #1
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All moments are aspects or fragments of eternity, & as such, are in a sense 'eternally' present. Arwen & Aragorn are 'always' in that moment on Cerin Amroth
Davem, I think in your last post you express exactly what it meant for Tolkien, because I was immediately reminded of a letter he wrote shortly after the death of his wife:
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....these never touched our depths nor dimmed our memories of our youthful love. Forever (especially when alone) we still met in the woodland glade, and went hand in hand many times to escape the shadow of imminent death before our last parting.
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Old 05-21-2004, 08:08 AM   #2
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Question flowers fading and grass withering

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As for man, his days are as grass; as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.

For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
Rohirrim graves are grassy mounds. But there is a difference? Or is Tolkien implying that the Rohirrim are nearer to nature (well, they are) than the Gondorians?

Perhaps it also involves the idea that Lorien itself is fading and failling, and her grave lies within a failing, fading place, where timelessness itself is slipping away.

...still pondering...
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:54 AM   #3
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It seems that Arwen's death was more bitter than that of Luthien & Beren for both died together for the Silmaril hastened their end. Melian's lineage (particularly the women) seem to be full of sorrow. It is quite a surprise to me also that Arwen would leave her own children to muse her sorrows in the fading land of Lothlorien, but as many here have said, the memory of her choice was here (lorien). The memory of her people, her Grandmother, & her mother who passed over the sea. So it is only fitting that the finality of the consequences of her choice should befall in the place where it had been sealed. she would've died a bitter death if she stayed in Gondor. Atleast, her sorrows, in some measure were eased by the memory of Lothlorien, fading like her.
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