A few questions about Middle Earth (knights, titles and names) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elianna · 05-27-2004, 06:38 PM

I like Aethelric Éothain best. Éothain was a member of Éomer's éored, if memory serves, so they were close (whether they liked that fact or not

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Hmmm...let's see how many more times I can type 'é'.........

Boromir88 · 05-28-2004, 04:35 AM

Eliana,
The guards of the king or steward were called guards of the citadel but were also known as knights of the city. You don't have to ride a horse to be a knight. Then you have Imrahil's knights of dol amroth who actually rode horses, as they rode out with gandalf to save Faramir's retreating troops. Then you have Merry who was taken in, by Eomer, as a knight of rohan. If you ask me, the term knight is used by Tolkien but doesn't seem the "proper" or maybe "most commone term." Yes Eothain was of Eomer's eored.

05-28-2004, 05:37 AM

I have decided to go with "Aethelwulf Éothain". Now that i have my name ready, I can finally begin writing his biography. Somehow I just need to know the name to know what he will be like... know the feel of it. :-)

I have a couple of questions about the Eorlingas now if you don't mind.

- Do most of the people of Rohan know how to read and write, or only the "wisest" of them?

- How much does the average man of Rohan know about the lore of Middle-Earth? Does he know about the Valar? The three elven rings? The Nazgul? The Balrog? The Shire even?

That's all, thanks.

Elianna · 05-28-2004, 07:36 AM

Stop fussing at me about knights!! I get it!

I think the Rohirric people has mostly a oral tradtion of learning. They did have a writting system, but probably only those in Edoras and in the army really know a lot of it. Could be wrong.

I think that with Rohan, as in most countries of Middle-earth, they know of other places, some of other places' histories, but were mainly concerned with their own. The Rohirrim did know about Oromë at least, who gave them horses, and mostly likely knew of Manwë and Varda, but I'm uncertain about the other Valar. They definately would NOT know about the Three, not even all the Elves knew of them; they were hidden. They probably knew as much about the Nazgûl as any average Gondorian. And wouldn't know about the Balrog, not even Gandalf really knew if Durin's Bane would trouble them. They knew of the "hole-builders" who lived near them before they came to Rohan, but probably thought there were none left, before meeting Merry and Pippin.

***Sharkû*** · 05-29-2004, 08:29 PM

Old German names like Albrecht would fit well in a projected, that is, reasonable, but not strictly canonical context.
The Rohirrim have OE names because they needed to seem archaic compared to Westron/English. Their ancestors in the north had Gothic names; the Beornings have OE names as well. If we were to give people somewhere around Rhovanion their own language or at least dialect of Westron, Old or Middle High German could be a good guess.

06-03-2004, 03:01 PM

All your assistance has been highly appreciated. :-)

I need to get the new elven name I'd like to use accepted now, I'd like for it to be appropriate.

"Acherndîr Cristmaethor"

It should mean Vengeful Swordwarrior in Sindarin, but I added the "dîr" to Achern to make it look better, and "dîr" means mature/fully grown.

05-27-2004, 06:38 PM	#1
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	I like Aethelric Éothain best. Éothain was a member of Éomer's éored, if memory serves, so they were close (whether they liked that fact or not ) Hmmm...let's see how many more times I can type 'é'......... __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

05-28-2004, 04:35 AM	#2
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,522	Knight or not Eliana, The guards of the king or steward were called guards of the citadel but were also known as knights of the city. You don't have to ride a horse to be a knight. Then you have Imrahil's knights of dol amroth who actually rode horses, as they rode out with gandalf to save Faramir's retreating troops. Then you have Merry who was taken in, by Eomer, as a knight of rohan. If you ask me, the term knight is used by Tolkien but doesn't seem the "proper" or maybe "most commone term." Yes Eothain was of Eomer's eored.

05-28-2004, 07:36 AM	#4
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Stop fussing at me about knights!! I get it! I think the Rohirric people has mostly a oral tradtion of learning. They did have a writting system, but probably only those in Edoras and in the army really know a lot of it. Could be wrong. I think that with Rohan, as in most countries of Middle-earth, they know of other places, some of other places' histories, but were mainly concerned with their own. The Rohirrim did know about Oromë at least, who gave them horses, and mostly likely knew of Manwë and Varda, but I'm uncertain about the other Valar. They definately would NOT know about the Three, not even all the Elves knew of them; they were hidden. They probably knew as much about the Nazgûl as any average Gondorian. And wouldn't know about the Balrog, not even Gandalf really knew if Durin's Bane would trouble them. They knew of the "hole-builders" who lived near them before they came to Rohan, but probably thought there were none left, before meeting Merry and Pippin. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

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05-28-2004, 05:37 AM	#3
Albrecht Guest Posts: n/a	I have decided to go with "Aethelwulf Éothain". Now that i have my name ready, I can finally begin writing his biography. Somehow I just need to know the name to know what he will be like... know the feel of it. :-) I have a couple of questions about the Eorlingas now if you don't mind. - Do most of the people of Rohan know how to read and write, or only the "wisest" of them? - How much does the average man of Rohan know about the lore of Middle-Earth? Does he know about the Valar? The three elven rings? The Nazgul? The Balrog? The Shire even? That's all, thanks.

05-29-2004, 08:29 PM	#5
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	Old German names like Albrecht would fit well in a projected, that is, reasonable, but not strictly canonical context. The Rohirrim have OE names because they needed to seem archaic compared to Westron/English. Their ancestors in the north had Gothic names; the Beornings have OE names as well. If we were to give people somewhere around Rhovanion their own language or at least dialect of Westron, Old or Middle High German could be a good guess.

06-03-2004, 03:01 PM	#6
Albrecht Guest Posts: n/a	All your assistance has been highly appreciated. :-) I need to get the new elven name I'd like to use accepted now, I'd like for it to be appropriate. "Acherndîr Cristmaethor" It should mean Vengeful Swordwarrior in Sindarin, but I added the "dîr" to Achern to make it look better, and "dîr" means mature/fully grown.