"Morgoth's Ring" or Sauron's Ring? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

06-07-2004, 07:07 AM

Question 1) What happened to the rings that were given to the Dwarves that weren't consumed by dragon fire?

Question 2) How did the One Ring work in connection with the 3 Elvish rings? If Sauron never had a part in the creation of the 3 Elvish rings, how would he have gained dominion over them when he recovered the One Ring (or is this just an incorrect assumption)?

Ardamir the Blessed · 06-26-2004, 06:55 PM

All the Seven and the Nine were identical in the beginning, or at least very similar. They were not called 'the Seven' and 'the Nine' in the beginning; that was only after Sauron had dealt seven of them out to Dwarves and nine to Men. But Sauron, before he dealt them out, perhaps modified the seven that were given to Dwarves to suit Dwarves specifically, and likewise the other nine to suit Men. The Three were also similar to the other 16 in the beginning but they were more powerful, and the other 16 were tainted (this perhaps implies that they were modified) later by Sauron, unlike the Three.

senser81: The Three were still partly made by Sauron's knowledge since he had teached the Mírdain, therefore they still contained his secret 'code'.

Findegil · 06-27-2004, 09:13 AM

The Rings were all equally made for being used by Elves, but they were different from the beginning. In the unfinshed tales we can read about the fall of Eregion and when Sauron captured Celbrimbor in the house uf the Gwaith i Mirdain, Celebrimbor revealed easilie were the nine were stored and under torture he gave away the hidding places of the seven, but about the three he said nothing. That does mean that Rings were already grouped in the same numbers before Sauron toke them.

Respectfully
Findegil

Ardamir the Blessed · 06-27-2004, 03:41 PM

Findegil:

It seems that you are right, unless the text, being written after the war, just speaks of the Nine and the Seven in that way, even though they were not grouped at that time yet. Then Sauron must have instructed the Mírdain to split them up like this, and probably make seven Rings with certain characteristics and nine with certain characteristics different to those of the seven, even though all 16 were going to be used by Elves (or so the Mírdain thought). Or, the Mírdain thought that nine Rings were going to be used in a certain way and/or a certain type of Elves, and seven in another way and/or by another type of Elves and made the Rings according to this.

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06-07-2004, 07:07 AM	#1
senser81 Guest Posts: n/a	Question 1) What happened to the rings that were given to the Dwarves that weren't consumed by dragon fire? Question 2) How did the One Ring work in connection with the 3 Elvish rings? If Sauron never had a part in the creation of the 3 Elvish rings, how would he have gained dominion over them when he recovered the One Ring (or is this just an incorrect assumption)?

06-26-2004, 06:55 PM	#2
Ardamir the Blessed Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 37	All the Seven and the Nine were identical in the beginning, or at least very similar. They were not called 'the Seven' and 'the Nine' in the beginning; that was only after Sauron had dealt seven of them out to Dwarves and nine to Men. But Sauron, before he dealt them out, perhaps modified the seven that were given to Dwarves to suit Dwarves specifically, and likewise the other nine to suit Men. The Three were also similar to the other 16 in the beginning but they were more powerful, and the other 16 were tainted (this perhaps implies that they were modified) later by Sauron, unlike the Three. senser81: The Three were still partly made by Sauron's knowledge since he had teached the Mírdain, therefore they still contained his secret 'code'.

06-27-2004, 09:13 AM	#3
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	The Rings were all equally made for being used by Elves, but they were different from the beginning. In the unfinshed tales we can read about the fall of Eregion and when Sauron captured Celbrimbor in the house uf the Gwaith i Mirdain, Celebrimbor revealed easilie were the nine were stored and under torture he gave away the hidding places of the seven, but about the three he said nothing. That does mean that Rings were already grouped in the same numbers before Sauron toke them. Respectfully Findegil

06-27-2004, 03:41 PM	#4
Ardamir the Blessed Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 37	Findegil: It seems that you are right, unless the text, being written after the war, just speaks of the Nine and the Seven in that way, even though they were not grouped at that time yet. Then Sauron must have instructed the Mírdain to split them up like this, and probably make seven Rings with certain characteristics and nine with certain characteristics different to those of the seven, even though all 16 were going to be used by Elves (or so the Mírdain thought). Or, the Mírdain thought that nine Rings were going to be used in a certain way and/or a certain type of Elves, and seven in another way and/or by another type of Elves and made the Rings according to this.