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Old 07-03-2004, 03:11 PM   #1
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I'm not sure that the 'cult' theory is very credible. Throughout his work, Tolkien never directly talks about religions other than pro- or anti-Valar. The Numenoreans, for example, are not discussed other than they set themselves up higher than the Valar.

The idea that the Istari started cults doesn't go with his writing style.
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Old 07-05-2004, 11:15 AM   #2
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Can we consider the original version or the one with the Ithryn Luin being called Morinehtar and Romestamo the definitive one?
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Old 07-05-2004, 01:07 PM   #3
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Why do you think we have to decied between the two? I think it is possible that they did work for the second age in the east and when Saruman arrived they meet him at Mithlond and the three went into the east were they took up their work and stay for a long time loyal to thier original task. But in the end before the 3 age found its final conflict in the west they failed as is told in the Unfinished Tales.

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Old 07-05-2004, 02:28 PM   #4
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I'm personally under the impression Tolkien changed his whole view about them.He could easily do so,as none of the material had been published.

Also,I think they wouldn't go all the way from far to the east to Mithlond to pick up Curumo...considering they didn't fly planes. It seems far more likely Curumo went to them instead.
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Old 07-18-2004, 09:14 PM   #5
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Tolkien gave the two Blue Wizards names in Unfinished Tales; they have been posted already. It is suggested in UT that they, like Radagast, strayed from their purpose of protecting Men and Middle-earth. (Radagast became too intrigued by the birds and beasts that he virtually spent all his time with them, and who knows what happened to the Blue Wizards in the end, other than that they ventured East?) Saruman was overcome by greed, and that left Gandalf as the only Istar still loyal to his cause.
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Old 07-19-2004, 07:32 AM   #6
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re: cults
I would refer you to The New Shadow. Cults were very much on the authors minds towards the end. At the very least, it was on his mind when he was considering the story line for NS.

I was under the impression the BW traveled east to "persuade and inspire" tribes/nations of men to not listen to and fall under the sway of Sauron's influence. Without the counsel of the BW, Saurons human legions would have been much larger than it already was. IMO, i could see the BW falling under their own desires to control the minds of men, especially after dealing with them for thousands of years.

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Blue Wizards

Well if Radagast became obssesed with animals why not them? on of the Blue Wizards(blue being like water) could have become interested in fish, fishing,and all things water, while the other could have Become interested deel in the folk of the south, like Gandalf and the Shire. But unlike Gandalf he stayed there for many years
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