Had Arwen sailed for elvenhome, whither Aragorn? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Maerbenn · 08-12-2004, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Encaitare

The movie has that whole "Oh no, Arwen's fate is tied to that of the Ring" thing going on, but in the book none of that happened

I posted something about this in this thread in the movie forum: Arwen and the One Ring

Evisse the Blue · 08-12-2004, 05:49 AM

Aragorn might have not been as careful with his life if Arwen had chosen to leave him. He would have gone to battle and fought bravely, since his allegiance to Gondor and the good guys was something separate from his love for Arwen, even the latter motivated him in everything he did. Maybe he would have been even more brave than usual, and reckless, taking too many risks, eventually maybe getting himself killed.
As for what he'd do afterwards, once he returned safe and victorious to Gondor, I don't think he would have married Eowyn. The movie makes a good point in him not encouraging Eowyn even when he thought he'd never see Arwen again. I see him as marrying someone as noble as he is, out of duty for his people, feeling more respect and kindness towards his wife. Maybe someone from Prince Imrahil's kin, someone with Elvish ancestry, to pass on the fertility and creativity represented by this race, that Child of the Seventh Age talked about.

Encaitare · 08-12-2004, 02:13 PM

It seems, Maerbenn, that I was not specific enough! I checked out the thread and I do agree that yes, her fate was tied to the Ring, but then again so was that of everyone else in Middle-earth. I meant that she wasn't exactly dying because Sauron was growing stronger.

elronds_daughter · 08-12-2004, 03:36 PM

I think that Aragorn would have gone on with saving the world. But as for marrying Eowyn, I doubt it. She and Faramir fell in love and became "engaged" before Aragorn's marriage to Arwen.

oh, I almost forgot.... I can't let this go without a correction.

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Aragorn had Anduril since leaving Rivendell with the Fellowship.

*ahem* Encaitare, Aragorn had Anduril even before meeting the Hobbits in Bree! If you remember, this happened while they were in Bree...

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He drew out his sword, and they saw that the blade was indeed broken a foot below the hilt. 'Not much use, is it Sam?' said Strider. 'But the time is near when it shall be forged anew.'

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-13-2004, 09:49 AM

I can't help but wonder about the "hope" factor in Arwen and Aragorn's relationship. In Appendix A, he says to her:

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Yet with your hope I will hope.

Would he have lost hope without her? And she watched over him in thought on his journeys - was she able to protect him in some way? Would he have found an untimely end without her help?

Lhunardawen · 08-14-2004, 02:34 AM

Will Arwen in this question leave for Valinor during the War of the Ring, or after, together with the rest of the Elves?

If she leaves only in the end: Aragorn and Arwen would not have ended up together, but that does not stop Arwen from hoping that eventually the War would be won...and with that hope Aragorn would fight on.

Otherwise: With Arwen in a whole new world altogether (relatively), Aragorn would lose the hope he holds on to in her...but still continue the battle with evil, finding hope somewhere else. But this would not be as strong as the hope he and Arwen have together.

If the West still wins in the end, Aragorn would reclaim the throne of Gondor...and rule in grief. That is, until he finds someone else to love, which I highly doubt is possible. But if he does not marry, how would the line of Luthien linger? It was said that her lineage would never be broken.

Encaitare · 08-14-2004, 10:23 AM

elronds_daughter said...

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*ahem* Encaitare, Aragorn had Anduril even before meeting the Hobbits in Bree! If you remember, this happened while they were in Bree...

Well, technically it was still Narsil then.

Aragorn only renamed the blade Anduril after it was reforged.

08-12-2004, 05:49 AM	#2
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Aragorn might have not been as careful with his life if Arwen had chosen to leave him. He would have gone to battle and fought bravely, since his allegiance to Gondor and the good guys was something separate from his love for Arwen, even the latter motivated him in everything he did. Maybe he would have been even more brave than usual, and reckless, taking too many risks, eventually maybe getting himself killed. As for what he'd do afterwards, once he returned safe and victorious to Gondor, I don't think he would have married Eowyn. The movie makes a good point in him not encouraging Eowyn even when he thought he'd never see Arwen again. I see him as marrying someone as noble as he is, out of duty for his people, feeling more respect and kindness towards his wife. Maybe someone from Prince Imrahil's kin, someone with Elvish ancestry, to pass on the fertility and creativity represented by this race, that Child of the Seventh Age talked about. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

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08-12-2004, 02:13 PM	#3
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	It seems, Maerbenn, that I was not specific enough! I checked out the thread and I do agree that yes, her fate was tied to the Ring, but then again so was that of everyone else in Middle-earth. I meant that she wasn't exactly dying because Sauron was growing stronger.

08-14-2004, 02:34 AM	#6
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Will Arwen in this question leave for Valinor during the War of the Ring, or after, together with the rest of the Elves? If she leaves only in the end: Aragorn and Arwen would not have ended up together, but that does not stop Arwen from hoping that eventually the War would be won...and with that hope Aragorn would fight on. Otherwise: With Arwen in a whole new world altogether (relatively), Aragorn would lose the hope he holds on to in her...but still continue the battle with evil, finding hope somewhere else. But this would not be as strong as the hope he and Arwen have together. If the West still wins in the end, Aragorn would reclaim the throne of Gondor...and rule in grief. That is, until he finds someone else to love, which I highly doubt is possible. But if he does not marry, how would the line of Luthien linger? It was said that her lineage would never be broken.