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Gil-Galad · 08-24-2004, 10:28 PM

One thing that bother me on this topic is in some of the small rpg's i run offsite, i have alot of people being Sarumans daughter... a child of an elf lady and a man...man andi keep thinking that they would be rather seperated and this could not happen...eventually my complaining got me kicked out of these groups for "disrupting" the rpg's...

Lalaith · 08-25-2004, 03:08 AM

Teleri men wouldn't necessarily be weak, they just had different priorities to the Noldor.
There was a mortal woman who had a love affair with an elf, she was called Andreth and he was Aegnor (Galadriel's brother I think?) But it didn't work out.

And in defence of Sam and Rosie, a family of thirteen children was not particularly excessive in Georgian and Victorian England. (Look at how many children the Old Took had, btw)
Most couples had a lot of babies (no contraception!) but often not all survived the childhood illnesses and post-natal complications that abounded in the days before innoculations, antibiotics and so on.
Some families, however, due to perhaps a combination of genetic luck, better access to healthcare and good parenting, did manage to bring all or most of their children to adulthood. The Gamgees were clearly in this category!

Saurreg · 08-25-2004, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

There was a mortal woman who had a love affair with an elf, she was called Andreth and he was Aegnor (Galadriel's brother I think?) But it didn't work out.

Really? Guess I was wrong after all. Though If I were to pull a yavanna II, I would say that Aegnor thought that he was too pretty for Andreth.

Aegnor was the brother of Galadriel I think. He, Finrod, Angrod and Galadriel were all children of Finarfin.

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-26-2004, 04:28 PM

Some interesting thoughts here! If you'd like to read previous threads on the topic of Marriage in Middle-earth, look here: Thread I (happy) and Thread II (unhappy). Enjoy!

Lalaith · 08-26-2004, 05:24 PM

Ah yes, thank you Estelyn, those were great threads...

I've found this article about Tolkien's attitude to marriage and sex, in both his writings and personal life, which I thought very interesting. (Don't worry, esteemed moderator Princess Estelyn, it's scholarly and quite family friendly.

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Essex · 08-27-2004, 03:07 AM

re Sam's and Rosie's children

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I always thought that the 13 children was a bit excessive

Remember that the hobbits were seen to be Tolkien's 'Common Men'. In Tolkien's days, having a multitude of kids was not uncommon at all. Indeed, my grandparents on both sides, living around the same time as JRR, had approximately 10 kids each. So 13 kids for Sam is not excessive to me, but I've got 2 myself and I admit that's enough for me!

Lhunardawen · 08-27-2004, 05:58 AM

I have always felt saddened (and frankly, annoyed) by the pure Numenoreans' intermarriage with others. I believe this is one of the factors that led to the downfall of the race. But come to think of it: Faramir, who relatively carries a lot of Numenorean blood (a loose translation

) would not have married Eowyn!

08-24-2004, 10:28 PM	#1
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	One thing that bother me on this topic is in some of the small rpg's i run offsite, i have alot of people being Sarumans daughter... a child of an elf lady and a man...man andi keep thinking that they would be rather seperated and this could not happen...eventually my complaining got me kicked out of these groups for "disrupting" the rpg's... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

08-25-2004, 03:08 AM	#2
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Teleri men wouldn't necessarily be weak, they just had different priorities to the Noldor. There was a mortal woman who had a love affair with an elf, she was called Andreth and he was Aegnor (Galadriel's brother I think?) But it didn't work out. And in defence of Sam and Rosie, a family of thirteen children was not particularly excessive in Georgian and Victorian England. (Look at how many children the Old Took had, btw) Most couples had a lot of babies (no contraception!) but often not all survived the childhood illnesses and post-natal complications that abounded in the days before innoculations, antibiotics and so on. Some families, however, due to perhaps a combination of genetic luck, better access to healthcare and good parenting, did manage to bring all or most of their children to adulthood. The Gamgees were clearly in this category! Last edited by Lalaith; 08-25-2004 at 03:12 AM.

08-26-2004, 04:28 PM	#4
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Some interesting thoughts here! If you'd like to read previous threads on the topic of Marriage in Middle-earth, look here: Thread I (happy) and Thread II (unhappy). Enjoy! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

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08-26-2004, 05:24 PM	#5
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Ah yes, thank you Estelyn, those were great threads... I've found this article about Tolkien's attitude to marriage and sex, in both his writings and personal life, which I thought very interesting. (Don't worry, esteemed moderator Princess Estelyn, it's scholarly and quite family friendly. )

08-27-2004, 05:58 AM	#7
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	I have always felt saddened (and frankly, annoyed) by the pure Numenoreans' intermarriage with others. I believe this is one of the factors that led to the downfall of the race. But come to think of it: Faramir, who relatively carries a lot of Numenorean blood (a loose translation ) would not have married Eowyn!