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Mithalwen · 08-28-2004, 09:34 AM

Err there was a smiley by my comment about the thirteen children indicating it wasn't intended to be taken QUITE so seriously ..... my grandmother was one of 12 surviving children, other branches were hit harder by infant mortality ......

However I think 13 is excessive, sorry ...... think about what it entails ...... I have a friend who is one of 15....... and her mother had a drudge's life married to a man whose contribution to the children didn't go beyond conception.

For me, Rosie just typifies the miserably limited lives women had until very recently in the West and still have in many parts of the world, the only plus is that she is married to a decent man.... Sam has social mobility but Rose is just a better class of skivvy ........

Encaitare · 08-28-2004, 11:29 AM

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For me, Rosie just typifies the miserably limited lives women had until very recently in the West and still have in many parts of the world, the only plus is that she is married to a decent man.... Sam has social mobility but Rose is just a better class of skivvy ........

Perhaps, perhaps. But I like to think of Sam and Rosie as the happy, adorable couple that the movie portrays them as, and Sam's loyalty and love proves that he would play a major part in the upbringing of the children (when not tending to his super-important mayor duties, of course

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Mithalwen · 08-28-2004, 11:46 AM

well I have just read a posting on the the thread for the barrowdowners of riper years which seems to agree with me

..... and what happened to all the kids they didn't take to Gondor....... And it seems to me that Rosie and the children play second fiddle to Frodo always ...when Frodo leaves, Sam wants to go to .. - I think it was interesting that Tolkien originally made Sam's last line "Well I've come back" ...

Encaitare · 08-28-2004, 11:52 AM

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And it seems to me that Rosie and the children play second fiddle to Frodo always

That's very true. I wonder what the kids thought when Sam eventually left.

Mithalwen · 08-28-2004, 11:59 AM

Yes, that is what I thought ..... I mean I know Mery and Pippin went south... but somehow that wasn't so final ... but it was almost as if he was witing for her to die so he could rejoin Mr Frodo ... they must have felt rejected.....

Encaitare · 08-28-2004, 12:14 PM

Hopefully Sam wasn't so obvious about it! All "Hey, Rosie, will ya hurry up and die so I can go be with Frodo? Please?" Let's hope he let the children down easily too. Oh well, the youngest was already 40 by the time he left, so it wasn't as though he simply left them to fend for themselves.

Mithalwen · 08-28-2004, 12:17 PM

Yes but it is still choosing Frodo over his children and grandchildren....

08-28-2004, 09:34 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Err there was a smiley by my comment about the thirteen children indicating it wasn't intended to be taken QUITE so seriously ..... my grandmother was one of 12 surviving children, other branches were hit harder by infant mortality ...... However I think 13 is excessive, sorry ...... think about what it entails ...... I have a friend who is one of 15....... and her mother had a drudge's life married to a man whose contribution to the children didn't go beyond conception. For me, Rosie just typifies the miserably limited lives women had until very recently in the West and still have in many parts of the world, the only plus is that she is married to a decent man.... Sam has social mobility but Rose is just a better class of skivvy ........ __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-28-2004, 11:46 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	well I have just read a posting on the the thread for the barrowdowners of riper years which seems to agree with me ..... and what happened to all the kids they didn't take to Gondor....... And it seems to me that Rosie and the children play second fiddle to Frodo always ...when Frodo leaves, Sam wants to go to .. - I think it was interesting that Tolkien originally made Sam's last line "Well I've come back" ... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-28-2004, 11:59 AM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes, that is what I thought ..... I mean I know Mery and Pippin went south... but somehow that wasn't so final ... but it was almost as if he was witing for her to die so he could rejoin Mr Frodo ... they must have felt rejected..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-28-2004, 12:17 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Yes but it is still choosing Frodo over his children and grandchildren.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

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08-28-2004, 12:14 PM	#6
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Hopefully Sam wasn't so obvious about it! All "Hey, Rosie, will ya hurry up and die so I can go be with Frodo? Please?" Let's hope he let the children down easily too. Oh well, the youngest was already 40 by the time he left, so it wasn't as though he simply left them to fend for themselves.