Why their were no women in the fellowship - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

lotrfreak90 · 09-05-2004, 04:15 PM

Good point however i believe that tolkien didnt add women in the fellowship because then when time came around for eowyn to fight it would have less signifigance

Back to your point, i could definitly see boromir (compulsive as he is) having trouble with that but Aragorn has Arwen the hobbits (exept mabye merry and pippin) are pretty modest and gandalf is an istari and does not take part of worldly pleasures, oh and gimli and legolas arent really that type.

even though i say this i llike you thread

~landis~

(oh im a guy and am not trying to be sexist either(-

Encaitare · 09-05-2004, 05:53 PM

Although I hate to say it, I must: Middle-earth is primarily a man's world. This is not to say that there is an absence of strong female characters, because there certainly are Middle-earth women with strength and power. The most notable of these are Eowyn and Galadriel, but there are examples found in the Silmarillion, too. Still, it is the men who go off to war, not the women -- except Eowyn, of course, but if she had gone undisguised she certainly would have been turned straight around and sent back to her people.

I don't think there would be any competition in the Fellowship for a woman, pretty much for the reasons lotrfreak90 gave. The only thing I disagree with in what he said is about Boromir, because it is stated that he is more interested in warfare than women.

Plus, if you think about it logically, when the Fellowship was created they had to select from the people they had in Rivendell. I don't think there were any female elven warriors around!

Tuor of Gondolin · 09-05-2004, 08:23 PM

Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't
have put up with any guff from Gollum.

And come to think of it, Sauron missed a move, not giving one
of the rings to Queen Beruthiel.

But then, maybe Sauron
wasn't a cat person.

Lobelia · 09-05-2004, 09:31 PM

[QUOTE=Tuor of Gondolin]Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't
have put up with any guff from Gollum.

Too right I wouldn't! That Frodo is such a nice boy, not like his uncle Bilbo who kept avoiding me ... I would have looked after him and hit the King of the Ringwraiths on the head with my umbrella (sorry, Eowyn).

Oh, well. Men and male Hobbits, not to mention Oxford academics, like their boys' clubs, don't they? Guess I'll just have to stick to fighting off Sharkey's men at home.

The Perky Ent · 09-05-2004, 10:01 PM

Lol! Plus, at the time setting, womans sufferage was nonexsistant, so it would make sense it Tolkien kept the setting of Middle Earth parallel with the time period of the world at that time!

lotrfreak90 · 09-06-2004, 08:01 AM

You guys kinda got off topic

lotrfreak90 · 09-06-2004, 08:03 AM

oh, Encaitare

in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate!

The Only Real Estel · 09-06-2004, 11:59 AM

Quote:

in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate!

I don't have my books with me, but I don't think arwen was a part of the council. Besides, I don't think that Arwen would've been a candidate, not unless we're talking about the movie here

. First of all, she wasn't (from what I could tell) a fighter in the books, the 'women-warrior' role was left up to Eowyn. Secondly, Elrond would never have sent his daughter on the quest, & he was the one doing the picking

.

p.s. I don't think Boromir would've had any problems, he was
so into fighting & gaining glory through victory that he probably
rarely gave women a second thought (yeah, he's wierd

).

09-05-2004, 04:15 PM	#1
lotrfreak90 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Penns Woods (pensylvania) Posts: 12	I like you point but... Good point however i believe that tolkien didnt add women in the fellowship because then when time came around for eowyn to fight it would have less signifigance Back to your point, i could definitly see boromir (compulsive as he is) having trouble with that but Aragorn has Arwen the hobbits (exept mabye merry and pippin) are pretty modest and gandalf is an istari and does not take part of worldly pleasures, oh and gimli and legolas arent really that type. even though i say this i llike you thread ~landis~ (oh im a guy and am not trying to be sexist either(-

09-05-2004, 08:23 PM	#3
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't have put up with any guff from Gollum. And come to think of it, Sauron missed a move, not giving one of the rings to Queen Beruthiel. But then, maybe Sauron wasn't a cat person. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

09-05-2004, 10:01 PM	#5
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Lol! Plus, at the time setting, womans sufferage was nonexsistant, so it would make sense it Tolkien kept the setting of Middle Earth parallel with the time period of the world at that time! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

09-06-2004, 08:01 AM	#6
lotrfreak90 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Penns Woods (pensylvania) Posts: 12	You guys kinda got off topic __________________ Landis L. T. Z. _____________________________________________ And they shall soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow feint, those who hope in the lord. {Isaiah 40:31}

09-06-2004, 08:03 AM	#7
lotrfreak90 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Penns Woods (pensylvania) Posts: 12	oh, Encaitare in the council of elrond, correct me if im wrong my memories a little fuzzy, but wasnt arwen part of the council and if not she still could have been a capable candidate! __________________ Landis L. T. Z. _____________________________________________ And they shall soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow feint, those who hope in the lord. {Isaiah 40:31}

09-05-2004, 05:53 PM	#2
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Although I hate to say it, I must: Middle-earth is primarily a man's world. This is not to say that there is an absence of strong female characters, because there certainly are Middle-earth women with strength and power. The most notable of these are Eowyn and Galadriel, but there are examples found in the Silmarillion, too. Still, it is the men who go off to war, not the women -- except Eowyn, of course, but if she had gone undisguised she certainly would have been turned straight around and sent back to her people. I don't think there would be any competition in the Fellowship for a woman, pretty much for the reasons lotrfreak90 gave. The only thing I disagree with in what he said is about Boromir, because it is stated that he is more interested in warfare than women. Plus, if you think about it logically, when the Fellowship was created they had to select from the people they had in Rivendell. I don't think there were any female elven warriors around!

09-05-2004, 09:31 PM	#4
Lobelia Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 150	[QUOTE=Tuor of Gondolin]Of course, if Lobelia had gone instead of Sam she wouldn't have put up with any guff from Gollum. Too right I wouldn't! That Frodo is such a nice boy, not like his uncle Bilbo who kept avoiding me ... I would have looked after him and hit the King of the Ringwraiths on the head with my umbrella (sorry, Eowyn). Oh, well. Men and male Hobbits, not to mention Oxford academics, like their boys' clubs, don't they? Guess I'll just have to stick to fighting off Sharkey's men at home.

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