Eowyn, Eomer.....Their Lifespans? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-10-2004, 10:53 PM

To understand why those with Númenórean blood have or have not a lengthy lifespan, we must first understand what gave the Dúnedain such a lifespan in the first place.

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. . . the increase in the Númenórean lifespan was brought about by assimilation of their mode of life to that of the Eldar . . . (UT II 3 - endnote 1)

Since the Eldar were already in decline wouldn’t it also mean that the famed Númenórean longevity of old would fade, too? And as is said by Faramir:

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[Faramir: ]For so we reckon Men in our lore, calling them the High, or the Men of the West, which were Númenóreans, and the Middle Peoples, Men of the Twilight, such as are the Rohirrim and their kin . . .
[W]e [the Númenóreans] have become more like [the Men of Twilight], and can scarce claim any longer the title High. (LotR IV 5)

Would not the last distinction - the lifespan - disappear, too, in this assimilation of mode of life?

Mithalwen · 09-14-2004, 01:28 PM

Oh that is an interesting point .. and may well explain Faramir's span - Sam (who after all by now had spent more time with elves, including some of the noblest left in ME than most other mortals then alive) discerns an elvish quality about Faramir. Faramir replies that Sam detects, maybe an air of Numenor. Faramir is in body and spirit as well as lineage about as true a Numenorean as Gondor can muster at the end of the Third age and under his lordship, Ithilien will mirror (in a lesser way) Numenor. Here elves (albeit the Silvan elves of Mirkwood not the Eldar of Eressea) share their skills with men and even dwell alongside them for a while. When Sam and Frodo meet Faramir, he and his men are using Elvish as a first language in Ithilien ... I wonder if there are any other indications.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 09-15-2004, 12:22 AM

And this time, since the Elves who'll be teaching these Men were those truly of Middle-earth - the Sindar and Silvan Elves - perhaps the lessons they'll be teaching would be more bound to Middle-earth. (A problem with those Númenóreans is that they called themselves Exiles, when their place is really Middle-earth.)

yavanna II · 09-23-2004, 06:39 AM

If we apply genetics, certainly Eowyn & Eomer's l.f. wouldve been longer. Check out Mendel's work (sorry I cnt place a pic of the trials)

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09-14-2004, 01:28 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Ithilien - a "recreation" of Numenor Oh that is an interesting point .. and may well explain Faramir's span - Sam (who after all by now had spent more time with elves, including some of the noblest left in ME than most other mortals then alive) discerns an elvish quality about Faramir. Faramir replies that Sam detects, maybe an air of Numenor. Faramir is in body and spirit as well as lineage about as true a Numenorean as Gondor can muster at the end of the Third age and under his lordship, Ithilien will mirror (in a lesser way) Numenor. Here elves (albeit the Silvan elves of Mirkwood not the Eldar of Eressea) share their skills with men and even dwell alongside them for a while. When Sam and Frodo meet Faramir, he and his men are using Elvish as a first language in Ithilien ... I wonder if there are any other indications. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 04-16-2007 at 01:34 PM.

09-15-2004, 12:22 AM	#3
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Hmmm . . . And this time, since the Elves who'll be teaching these Men were those truly of Middle-earth - the Sindar and Silvan Elves - perhaps the lessons they'll be teaching would be more bound to Middle-earth. (A problem with those Númenóreans is that they called themselves Exiles, when their place is really Middle-earth.) __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

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09-23-2004, 06:39 AM	#4
yavanna II Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in my own little world Posts: 142	If we apply genetics, certainly Eowyn & Eomer's l.f. wouldve been longer. Check out Mendel's work (sorry I cnt place a pic of the trials) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is the effect of geeky biology. I am practically mad bout it. Oh my do science & Tolkienry mix?