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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles)
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While I liked much of the Moria bit there were two poor parts:
1) Moria falling apart, show's what happens when you have too much deferred maintenance. 2) Orcs surround the Fellowship then are scared away by the balrog. Why not just have the thousands of orcs finish the nine walkers off? Of course PJ did it (especially Moria falling down) for his fetish for cinematic pyrotechnics. One can imagine Gandalf dazzling the orcs with white light and some sort of cutting through blinded orcs, but the surrounding bit was just overdone, another example of tampering with the novel leading to an inferior outcome. But its remarkable how, when PJ keeps more to the book and adds to it his cinematography skills, and generally excellent casting, the result is far better then his plot "innovations", with a few good exceptions, such as Sean Bean's Boromir, including his (added by scriptwriters?) Lorien soliloquy.
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A Shade of Westernesse
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The last wave over Atalantë
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Two annoyed cents
There is a seemingly endless supply of criticisms that can be hurled at Jackson's movies - many are fair, many aren't; I personally didn't think many of the changes he made were for the better, but what really bugged me were lines like Legolas's, "Why am I not surprised?" (Fellowship of the Ring EE) and Aragorn's, "Let's hunt some orc!" Far too colloquial - modern movie clichés, really - to be used by characters like those two. PJ & Co., I think, did a poor job on many of the little things.
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Laconic Loreman
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Tuor all I got to say FLAMING FIREBALLS SARUMAN! ROTK EE! lol.
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Raffish Rapscallion
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-(
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I know this is a thread where we're supposed to list all of PJ's mistakes, but I still have to bring up a few points in his defense (about a year ago, you'd never have caught me doing this):
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"Lets hunt some orc!" (Aragorn) "Why doesn't that suprise me?" Legolas) "She-elf" (Blackrider) And others too. Naturally, I could point out a lot of little things that I thought he nailed, but I'll restrain myself on that one ![]() Don't get me wrong, I have issues with parts of the movie just like everyone else. But when I think there is a good explanation for it, I tend to defend it. ![]() |
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Bittersweet Symphony
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise
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Laconic Loreman
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Encaitare as I've said these are probably the best movie I have seen from the past 30 years. I'm just pointing out what I don't like about the movie. Not to brag, but I'm not pointing out any of the cuts PJ made, because I thought most cuts he made were ligitimate, besides maybe some of the key characters. I'm pointing out things he changed, for really stuff that I don't understand why he did it.
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Emperor of the South Pole
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim
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I wont go into PJ's script and who he had play the characters here, but I will pick on a few technical issues that bugged me with the movies which could have been corrected very simply. The time/space scale was very confusing and really didn't give the watcher a sense of the distances and the time it took to cover it. This was prevalent in the Fellowship as Gandalf rides off from the Shire to Minas Tirth, then to isengard. A simple subtitle 'some months later' or such would have helped. Also, in return of the King, Osgoliath was not that close to Minas Tirith. At the least it was 20 miles away and the most 50 miles away across Pelennor Field, and there was no Rammas Echor wall in the movie.
To be fair, where PJ did capture the proper time/space scale was where the Uruk Hai, and Aragorn, Gimli, & Legolas were running across Rohan. There is more, but I'm at work so I dont have the time to elaborate. (hears sighs of relief from the downers) |
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