The Dunedain?

[Elessar Telcontar]

I'd like to say that as for your sarcasm towards my 'future' threads, if you aren't interested then don't post, instead of giving me the inpression that there is no point at all in even taking part in this forum. I do feel that maybe a little encouragement can go a long way and that my threads may improve if given the chance to do so
As for The Saucepan Man I do sincerely apologise for snapping thats not how I wanted it to sound, I was just curious as to what you thought and wanted you to elaborate...

[HerenIstarion]

Originally Posted by Elessar Telcontar

I'd like to say that as for your sarcasm towards my 'future' threads, if you aren't interested then don't post, instead of giving me the inpression that there is no point at all in even taking part in this forum

It was not sarcasm, honest. The sarcastic smiley is this: . Now that sentence of mine we are discussing now was ended with - big grin - expression of merriment, and - expression (I learned it, I did - after watching 'I, Robot',) of trust between humans.

Though I'm ready to admit my wording may have been better. My sincerest apologies in my turn. Let me rephrase it:

Welcome to the Downs. I hope (and tend to be sure you will live up to my expectations) your threads will be interesting and fascinating. I also hope (and tend to be sure you will live up to my expectations) that the contents of said threads will answer to their titles.

Originally Posted by Elessar Telcontar

I do feel that maybe a little encouragement...

I thought I were doing just that, in a kind of humorous way. You know - good intentions, pavement for the certain road and so forth and so on.

I will try to change my ways hence. (Can't add up more than three smileys to a post, imagine smiley here. The one of the chap in a hat with a pipe)

cheers

[Elessar Telcontar]

O.K, I'm glad we got that sorted out, see it just goes to show how we can all misinterpret how someone means to say something on these god-forsaken computers...Anyhow, very sorry, can we be friends?

[HerenIstarion]

Of course

With that in mind, let us bring this thread back to its topic:

Is there anybody else out there who felt highly disappointed with the lack of the Grey Company and Elrond's sons from RotK

Please provide your reasons for such a dissapointment/admiration too

Now post on...

[The Saucepan Man]

Oops, I seem to have provoked somewhat of a kerfuffle here.

Originally Posted by HerenIstarion

... is it strange to find the sibblings snap at you for being off topic?

I'd say on-topic but insubstantial.

Thank you, HI, for your valiant attempt to defend my original post. But Elessar and Gothbogg were quite right to pick me up on it. Posts expressing a mere opinion without explanation are best avoided. Blame it on being at work and an undue bout of peevishness.

Originally Posted by HerenIstarion

I lost a lot more sleep over Elrond coming to Aragorn having to urge him to war and press him up with Arwen whose (excuse messed up quotation) 'life is passing as long as ring exists'.

Now the latter is indeed, in my view, a valid criticism as tying Arwen's life to the fate of the Ring simply doesn't make sense within the context of the film. But that's for another topic ...

Originally Posted by Elessar Telcontar

... see it just goes to show how we can all misinterpret how someone means to say something on these god-forsaken computers.

Indeed. As illustrated by the fact that, while HI uses " " to denote sarcasm, I use it to denote either exasperation or self-effacement, depending on the context. Danged smilies - can't rely on them ...

Right, as HI suggests, let's get back on topic. My apologies for having provoked this impromptu (albeit slightly iluminatory) detour.

[Bêthberry]

Indeed. As illustrated by the fact that, while HI uses " " to denote sarcasm, I use it to denote either exasperation or self-effacement, depending on the context. Danged smilies - can't rely on them ...

Oh dear, yes! As soon as I read that comment from HI I immediately worried that I have sent messages of sarcasm to people. I too tend to use that smiley for exasperation or self-effacement. Guess I should work on letting my words do the talking, even if it takes a thousand of 'em.

I tend to agree with Sauce's comment above that one must consider the films as movies (I make a distinction here, which I think might be one which derives from my northern North American dialect ) rather than as straight forward representation of the books. Sometimes I think it works best to omit passages if overall the general tone and tenor of the ethos of the books is respected. I think omitting Tom and the Barrow Downs is understandable but it placed certain restrictions on the Bree/ Prancing Pony scene.

To me, including Aragorn's kin would not have improved the depiction of Aragorn much to my mind because the actor did not create a stunning sense of 'a once and future king' to me. Seeing Aragorn awoken from his dream by his horse kissing him really ruined the character for me and I don't think any inclusion of details from the book could have helped.

And, welcome to the Downs, Elessar Telcontar. I almost read your screen name as Estelyn Telcontar at first!

[Groin Redbeard]

In the Return of the King, didn't a company of Dunedain Rangers over take Theoden, along with the rest of the soldiers from Helms Deep, while he was traveling back to Edoras. I don't remember what happened to them.

I would have liked to have seen that part in the movie.

[Numenorean]

Greetings & welcome Elessar and everyone,

Is there anybody else out there who felt highly disappointed with the lack of the Grey Company and Elrond's sons from RotK?

I felt more dissappointed about their non-appearance than just about anything else in PJs flawed masterpieces.
From my understanding (which can be scanty at best) the Dúnedain of the North & Elronds sons (clearly the most fell Elves of the 3rd Age) were crucial to the military, morale and execution of Aragorns and the Wests' victories - post Helms Deep. Aside from that, I felt their appearance and continued presence (in the books) revealed compelling insights into Aragorns character and mindset that gave him real human depth and helped to flesh him out as a man. The valour of Arnor, old friendships re-newed, fierce loyalty earned through hard respect, Aragorns yearning for Arwen - are just some of the things I gleaned from his interaction and relationships with the Grey Company. By their very appearance they also showed Aragorn actually does have a noble clan of people in his own right - the movies made him seem like a race of one.