The Dunedain?

[HerenIstarion]

Of course

With that in mind, let us bring this thread back to its topic:

Is there anybody else out there who felt highly disappointed with the lack of the Grey Company and Elrond's sons from RotK

Please provide your reasons for such a dissapointment/admiration too

Now post on...

[The Saucepan Man]

Oops, I seem to have provoked somewhat of a kerfuffle here.

Originally Posted by HerenIstarion

... is it strange to find the sibblings snap at you for being off topic?

I'd say on-topic but insubstantial.

Thank you, HI, for your valiant attempt to defend my original post. But Elessar and Gothbogg were quite right to pick me up on it. Posts expressing a mere opinion without explanation are best avoided. Blame it on being at work and an undue bout of peevishness.

Originally Posted by HerenIstarion

I lost a lot more sleep over Elrond coming to Aragorn having to urge him to war and press him up with Arwen whose (excuse messed up quotation) 'life is passing as long as ring exists'.

Now the latter is indeed, in my view, a valid criticism as tying Arwen's life to the fate of the Ring simply doesn't make sense within the context of the film. But that's for another topic ...

Originally Posted by Elessar Telcontar

... see it just goes to show how we can all misinterpret how someone means to say something on these god-forsaken computers.

Indeed. As illustrated by the fact that, while HI uses " " to denote sarcasm, I use it to denote either exasperation or self-effacement, depending on the context. Danged smilies - can't rely on them ...

Right, as HI suggests, let's get back on topic. My apologies for having provoked this impromptu (albeit slightly iluminatory) detour.

[Bêthberry]

Indeed. As illustrated by the fact that, while HI uses " " to denote sarcasm, I use it to denote either exasperation or self-effacement, depending on the context. Danged smilies - can't rely on them ...

Oh dear, yes! As soon as I read that comment from HI I immediately worried that I have sent messages of sarcasm to people. I too tend to use that smiley for exasperation or self-effacement. Guess I should work on letting my words do the talking, even if it takes a thousand of 'em.

I tend to agree with Sauce's comment above that one must consider the films as movies (I make a distinction here, which I think might be one which derives from my northern North American dialect ) rather than as straight forward representation of the books. Sometimes I think it works best to omit passages if overall the general tone and tenor of the ethos of the books is respected. I think omitting Tom and the Barrow Downs is understandable but it placed certain restrictions on the Bree/ Prancing Pony scene.

To me, including Aragorn's kin would not have improved the depiction of Aragorn much to my mind because the actor did not create a stunning sense of 'a once and future king' to me. Seeing Aragorn awoken from his dream by his horse kissing him really ruined the character for me and I don't think any inclusion of details from the book could have helped.

And, welcome to the Downs, Elessar Telcontar. I almost read your screen name as Estelyn Telcontar at first!

[Groin Redbeard]

In the Return of the King, didn't a company of Dunedain Rangers over take Theoden, along with the rest of the soldiers from Helms Deep, while he was traveling back to Edoras. I don't remember what happened to them.

I would have liked to have seen that part in the movie.

[Sauron the White]

The sons of Elrond and the inclusion of more Rangers would have been fine additions to the film.

[Groin Redbeard]

I believe the sons of Elrond were in the first movie at the council. They just sat by Elrond during the council, but I don't think they had that much of a part in the books either.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

It was part of PJ's 'simplification' of the story so as to not overtax the feeble minds of the ticketbuying public, to excise all mention of Arnor from the movies whatsoever. The *only* appearance is in the EE-only Aragorn/Eowyn scene, where she realises he is one of the Dunedain Rangers, and he mentions that the North-Kingdom was long destroyed. But nothing which otherwise ever suggests that Gondor had a twin realm, or who the Rangers were.

Stll, I hate that far less than Elves at Helm's Deep!

[Numenorean]

Greetings & welcome Elessar and everyone,

Is there anybody else out there who felt highly disappointed with the lack of the Grey Company and Elrond's sons from RotK?

I felt more dissappointed about their non-appearance than just about anything else in PJs flawed masterpieces.
From my understanding (which can be scanty at best) the Dúnedain of the North & Elronds sons (clearly the most fell Elves of the 3rd Age) were crucial to the military, morale and execution of Aragorns and the Wests' victories - post Helms Deep. Aside from that, I felt their appearance and continued presence (in the books) revealed compelling insights into Aragorns character and mindset that gave him real human depth and helped to flesh him out as a man. The valour of Arnor, old friendships re-newed, fierce loyalty earned through hard respect, Aragorns yearning for Arwen - are just some of the things I gleaned from his interaction and relationships with the Grey Company. By their very appearance they also showed Aragorn actually does have a noble clan of people in his own right - the movies made him seem like a race of one.