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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-05-2004, 04:41 AM

It was considered in Hobbit circles even before Frodo left that he and Bilbo were 'away with the fairies', so to speak. After he came back to the Shire with (let's face it) all these ridiculous tales about Elves and Orcs and Mountains of Fire, it was generally regarded amongst those in the community that young Baggins was completely off his head.

This comes across even in the Red Book, Frodo's personal propoganda. I can only imagine what an objective view would consist of.

Mithalwen · 10-05-2004, 11:07 AM

So you mean it was all a hoax? That the blackriders were an elaborate prnk of the Brandybucks and the four hobbits spent the time they were allegedly down south holed up at Tom Bombadil's and emerged a year later once hte effect of those mushrooms had worn off....

So the orcs, monsters and all .... the great quest was more of a big trip?

Lachwen · 10-05-2004, 11:45 AM

So the title of the Red Book should really be What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been, right?

And the phrase "away with the fairies" just brings all the wrong connotations to mind...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-05-2004, 01:25 PM

I quite like the phrase away with the fairies.

And it does make me wonder what else the Hobbits got up to on their travels. I would rule Tom Bombadil out though. I mean, the guy just doesn't make sense at all. If ever there's an example of Frodo's deranged warblings, it's Tom Bombadil.

Mithalwen · 10-05-2004, 01:32 PM

I must admit I always believed the whole of the strange episodes between Crickhollow and Bree were the side effects of Mrs Maggot's mushrooms. Otherwise it is somewhat bizarre ... even for a story that features walking trees, talking eagles etc..

Mithalwen · 10-05-2004, 01:36 PM

And "Away with the fairies" is a bit harsh if you happened to be referring to the Gildor episode......

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-06-2004, 04:58 AM

I think you are referring to something which I am not, thus I shall probe no more.

We have entered murky waters. What can we be sure of in the text? Perhaps we can trust what is given to us at the end of the Silmarillion. There it tells us that there was a great War and it also says that Frodo the Halfling did indeed cast the Ring into the Fire. Who wrote this? By which tales and songs has this final story come to our ears?

Also, note the discrepancy in the final analysis. Perhaps Gollum never existed either?

10-05-2004, 04:41 AM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	So naive... It was considered in Hobbit circles even before Frodo left that he and Bilbo were 'away with the fairies', so to speak. After he came back to the Shire with (let's face it) all these ridiculous tales about Elves and Orcs and Mountains of Fire, it was generally regarded amongst those in the community that young Baggins was completely off his head. This comes across even in the Red Book, Frodo's personal propoganda. I can only imagine what an objective view would consist of. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

10-05-2004, 11:07 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	*gulp* So you mean it was all a hoax? That the blackriders were an elaborate prnk of the Brandybucks and the four hobbits spent the time they were allegedly down south holed up at Tom Bombadil's and emerged a year later once hte effect of those mushrooms had worn off.... So the orcs, monsters and all .... the great quest was more of a big trip? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-05-2004, 11:45 AM	#3
Lachwen Wight Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greenwood the Great. Posts: 115	So the title of the Red Book should really be What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been, right? And the phrase "away with the fairies" just brings all the wrong connotations to mind... __________________ "'...Home is the sailor, home from the sea, And the hunter home from the hill.'"

10-05-2004, 01:25 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I quite like the phrase away with the fairies. And it does make me wonder what else the Hobbits got up to on their travels. I would rule Tom Bombadil out though. I mean, the guy just doesn't make sense at all. If ever there's an example of Frodo's deranged warblings, it's Tom Bombadil. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

10-05-2004, 01:32 PM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	I must admit I always believed the whole of the strange episodes between Crickhollow and Bree were the side effects of Mrs Maggot's mushrooms. Otherwise it is somewhat bizarre ... even for a story that features walking trees, talking eagles etc.. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-05-2004, 01:36 PM	#6
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	And "Away with the fairies" is a bit harsh if you happened to be referring to the Gildor episode...... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

10-06-2004, 04:58 AM	#7
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I think you are referring to something which I am not, thus I shall probe no more. We have entered murky waters. What can we be sure of in the text? Perhaps we can trust what is given to us at the end of the Silmarillion. There it tells us that there was a great War and it also says that Frodo the Halfling did indeed cast the Ring into the Fire. Who wrote this? By which tales and songs has this final story come to our ears? Also, note the discrepancy in the final analysis. Perhaps Gollum never existed either? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

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