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Shade of Carn Dûm
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Although it may have taken him a while, Saruman would have been able to master the ring and in that would have overthrown Sauron. Having mastered hte ring he would have been able to take control of Sauron's forces, including the nazgul and would have defeated the forces of good. The result would have been the same as if Sauron had regained the ring except the power would have been in Isenguard not Mordor.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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The situation might have been even more complicated related to the Ring.
Discussing Frodo taking the Ring, in Letters #246 JRRT observes: Quote:
Sauron with close proximity and the nazgul????? And of course, JRRT's above musing was in Sep., 1963, and therefore probably not quite canon. Oh, and how about this for tactical speculation: either the nazgul on their pteradactyls or Dunedain with eagles pull off a commando raid landing on top of Orthanc (like the German army in 1940 at Fort Eben Emael in Belgium or Otto Skorzeny rescuing Mussolini in 1944). Orthanc might have weak spots like the gate of Minas Tirith on its roof or balcony windows.
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Auspicious Wraith
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Where are you guys getting the information that Saruman could have, in any way, overthrown Sauron using Sauron's own Ring?
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Eomer, one on one, Saruman could not have defeated Sauron, as Letter 246 points out. But, if Saruman could summon himself an army he could overthrow Sauron. However, I don't see how Saruman could be able to do that, in the amount of time he would have.
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Auspicious Wraith
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Saruman did have an army. It would have been just a small nuisance, however, that Sauron had a truly vast army.
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Very true
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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I think Saruman is being rather underestimated in this thread. While there is
considerable doubt about Elrond, Galadriel, Aragorn, et. al. defeating Sauron using the Ring, Gandalf and Saruman were Maiar on, I believe, an equivalent level with Sauron and could therefore have been essentially his equal, once they would ignore the ban on their using their powers openly in Middle-earth.
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