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Cryptic Aura
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Gollies, and some people think the posts on the Chapter by Chapter or Canonicity threads are long.
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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Of course, there always looms the possibility of self-publication. Perhaps this dream keeps some working into the small hours of the night on something they no longer “feel” with the hope that they may accumulate enough money and fame to enable them to publish for themselves? Of course, I say all this now. I have not had the luxury of reading an excruciatingly bad work in recent months, and that may mellow me somewhat.
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The Perilous Poet
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Artist responsibility
I mean this sincerely: authors have almost nothing to do with what is on display in Waterstones. Or Barnes and Noble for our cousins.
The uncomfortable equation is thus: books = units.
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I couldn't agree more Rim, although the situation might even be worse than you are allowing it to be:
books = Movie units There isn't an author writing today who doesn't have, at least somewhere at the back of his/her mind, the idea of movie rights to the book, and thus creates accordingly. If there are authors who avoid this, I would suggest that they instead follow one of the following two other equations: books = Oprah units or books = Man Booker Prize units I wonder though if there really is no room for an effective presence of the author in this however. If books-as-units were widgets, then anyone could be trained to write the kinds of books that different people want to read. But we can all agree that there is still some kind of speical non-quantifiable talent behind good writing, such that the people who produce book-units in response to a market demand, still do so from within a 'talent' or skill-set that is uniquely their own. It's like any profession -- every computer programmer is still an individual using his or her creativity. While the lines of code written by that programmer might not have an overt or visible effect upon the whole, there is an effect which, when combined with the other creative/individual effects of other programmers, results in large-scale change. So art is independent of the artist, and perhaps controlled by the publishing houses, but the culumative effect of creative artists moves the people (since publishers are people too! ![]() Grasping for hope here. . .which is hard for a dyed in the wool Althusserian such as myself (free biscuits for anyone who knows what that means).
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Regal Dwarven Shade
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Althusserian-pertaining to the ideas of Louis Althusser who said that ideology is the way we live our reality through representation. Social identification is a question of what we consume rather than what we produce, which I believe is what specifically relates to the point you are making.
So, are you implying that readers get junk because they deserve it, or maybe ask for it?
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Gibbering Gibbet
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Following Louis Althusser strictly -- we are junk since in a consumerist culture you are, well, what you eat. . .or what is fed to you.
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But if we stopped eating it they would try to feed us something else maybe...
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Of course, in a perfect free market, producers will simply produce what the consumers desire. That is not to say that producers (and governments) do not have ways and means to influence consumers' desires, but then there is no such thing as the perfect free market.
On the whole, however, I would say that, just as we get the press that we deserve, we get the books that we deserve. ![]() ![]()
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