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ohtatyaro · 11-01-2004, 05:19 AM

I did not intend to kill this thread on the spot. I mean, it would not have happened, allright, but there might have been other possibilities too. So I bring it up

HerenIstarion · 11-01-2004, 05:38 AM

What if threads tend to die out all by themselves, or such is my personal opinion

As for what if, I suppose that Oath as an Oath mattered more to the ruling house than to the commoners. Thingol with the help of Eomer, Gandalf i.e., the whole lot of 'marketing managers' makes quite a PR campaign to convince his army to go. I don't intend to say they would not obey direct orders to muster and march on without speeches Thingol repeatedly inspires them on with, but it would have take a lot more of frunts and complaints. Indeed, what mere commoner knows about Gondor? A place far away, they are our friends, right, but what with wargs afoot in my own country, what the heck to go to war abroad? So riders need constantly be reminded about their own personal allegiance to Thingol's house.

Again, I do not intend to sound as if riders would break their loyalty and refuse to go without Thingol and the inspiring, but it resembles modern PR campaign allright.

So, even if, as rightly noted by Ohtatyaro, my compliments, it were possible for Sauron to launch massive atack before its ripe time, with two opposing leaders, it may have ended up in just another civil war, granted that Thengel would stand up to his father in the first place. Two PR campaings at a clash - 1. Let us be true to our word! 2. Let us protect our own home, and to hell with Gondor!. Bet you a dollar at the outcome?

I suppose, what with US president elections tomorrow, most of our members must be familiar with the principle

cheers

Tuor of Gondolin · 11-01-2004, 07:16 AM

There is another way to look at this. Rohan and Gondor came to each other's
aid several times. For example, in 2759 T.A. Gondor sent aid "both east and
west of the mountains." And politically, any rational leader of Gondor would
see that, irrespective of sentiment, Rohan would probably be next on the
list of an invader if Gondor was occupied. The Oath of Eorl then might be seen
as a useful reinforcement and rationalization of a national self-interest policy.

Boromir88 · 11-01-2004, 09:21 AM

Ohta, that's ok, I understand what you mean. We'll just have to say theoretically, what if the War of the Ring, was during Fengel's reign, instead of Theoden's, we'll just say, what if Fengel was placed in Theoden's situation, instead.

Heren, I can't say anything about you post, other then, brilliant. I love how you tied it in with the election, there is a lot to politics we both know that, lol.

Tuor, that is also another possibility, nice job for bringing it up. Sort of like an allianceship, based on the fact, hey if you guys fall we are next, so we're going to help you.

11-01-2004, 05:19 AM	#1
ohtatyaro Wight Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: here, there, everywhere... Posts: 121	I did not intend to kill this thread on the spot. I mean, it would not have happened, allright, but there might have been other possibilities too. So I bring it up __________________ Reading this sig costs three Galleons, nine Sickles, and a Knut. Pay up!

11-01-2004, 05:38 AM	#2
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	What if threads tend to die out all by themselves, or such is my personal opinion As for what if, I suppose that Oath as an Oath mattered more to the ruling house than to the commoners. Thingol with the help of Eomer, Gandalf i.e., the whole lot of 'marketing managers' makes quite a PR campaign to convince his army to go. I don't intend to say they would not obey direct orders to muster and march on without speeches Thingol repeatedly inspires them on with, but it would have take a lot more of frunts and complaints. Indeed, what mere commoner knows about Gondor? A place far away, they are our friends, right, but what with wargs afoot in my own country, what the heck to go to war abroad? So riders need constantly be reminded about their own personal allegiance to Thingol's house. Again, I do not intend to sound as if riders would break their loyalty and refuse to go without Thingol and the inspiring, but it resembles modern PR campaign allright. So, even if, as rightly noted by Ohtatyaro, my compliments, it were possible for Sauron to launch massive atack before its ripe time, with two opposing leaders, it may have ended up in just another civil war, granted that Thengel would stand up to his father in the first place. Two PR campaings at a clash - 1. Let us be true to our word! 2. Let us protect our own home, and to hell with Gondor!. Bet you a dollar at the outcome? I suppose, what with US president elections tomorrow, most of our members must be familiar with the principle cheers __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

11-01-2004, 07:16 AM	#3
Tuor of Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles) Posts: 1,548	There is another way to look at this. Rohan and Gondor came to each other's aid several times. For example, in 2759 T.A. Gondor sent aid "both east and west of the mountains." And politically, any rational leader of Gondor would see that, irrespective of sentiment, Rohan would probably be next on the list of an invader if Gondor was occupied. The Oath of Eorl then might be seen as a useful reinforcement and rationalization of a national self-interest policy. __________________ Aure Entuluva!

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11-01-2004, 09:21 AM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Ohta, that's ok, I understand what you mean. We'll just have to say theoretically, what if the War of the Ring, was during Fengel's reign, instead of Theoden's, we'll just say, what if Fengel was placed in Theoden's situation, instead. Heren, I can't say anything about you post, other then, brilliant. I love how you tied it in with the election, there is a lot to politics we both know that, lol. Tuor, that is also another possibility, nice job for bringing it up. Sort of like an allianceship, based on the fact, hey if you guys fall we are next, so we're going to help you.