LOTR Astrology Project (Introduction)

[Elennar Starfire]

Ah, I feel so much more knowledgeable after reading the encyclopedia entry on astrology...now I've got to read about all the signs...I'm taking notes. (you should be impressed, I almost never take notes.) Once I've finished my reading and sorted out my notes, I'll post a bit of the basics for everyone, if ye like.

[THE Ka]

Thanks Leny! that would be great help. Maybe it might even attract other downers to join. Seeing their own sign and such. Once again thanks for you both for your interests. I just can't wait to post all of my findings and get this project started.

[The Barrow-Wight]

I'd like to see this topic as it applies to Middle-earth, so let's get it rolling as soon as possible, please.

Thanks.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by The Barrow-Wight

I'd like to see this topic as it applies to Middle-earth, so let's get it rolling as soon as possible, please.

Thanks.

It will, trust me. But, I must allow my students and piers sometime to gather about information. When the first reply from one of them appear, the project will unfurl. Thank you for your polite reply.

With Respect,

~Ka~

P.S. Thank you very much for your help with the Balrog thread. I hope now that this obloquy will show more respect to other members, and to not take their insecurity out on others. Once again thank you.

[The Barrow-Wight]

While we are waiting for the 'students', let's review Idea + Example = Better Topic (not Idea + Idea + Some More Ideas About The Idea). The thread creator should be the provider of examples that are the impetus for input from other members.

[THE Ka]

alright fast one. Here you go. happy?

[THE Ka]

Ok, since I appariently have to post material now, here's an EXAMPLE of what we WILL be DISCUSSING. i'll start off with the first character in this essay. Or the first water sign the Cancer born, or otherwise known as Boromir.

Part I : The Cancer and the Ring
Boromir undoubtly is a cancer, for many reasons mostly pretaining to his life goals, ideals and personality. It is mostly other characters inthe felllowship or his family who reveal these clues as to what boromir is. Gandalf for example, states to Denethor in the third book that boromir was a "masterful" man. If you break down this you find your basic words to compare. masterful otherwise means, domineering and self-centered where the profit is. Back to the cancer ideal, these two traits are well developed in the cancer native, though they are rather oblivious to admit it. "Cancer is protective, even possessive and can be a jealous, though more from insecurity than simple desire to dominate."(Astrologycom) Boromir could possibly near the end of his time with the fellowship have developed a sense of insecurity. Besides the mastery of the ring, boromir could have had another reason. Cancer's are very attached to their homes, families and tradition. For these reasons boromir might have felt a strong homesickness or a feeling of being out of place or lost. These are very apparent in the chapter "the council of elrond" and in the chapter following boromir's death. He makes his opinion quite clear that he is homesick, lost, and wishes his demands to be met at that exact moment.

Cancers as a vital sign are quite weak, mostly depending on good partnerships, family and friends to support them. This might be another reason for Boromir's sudden concern with his friendship with Frodo. Not only does he wish to return home as soon as possible, he wants a good reason to return and make his father pleased. "The emblem for Cancer is the Crab, a creature with a very hard shell which protects a soft interior. The crab walks sideways, which is how the Cancerian skirts around a problem until forced to take it on with gritty determination and a creative flair." (Astrologycom) As you can see, Boromir was doing what most cancers do best. Avoiding the problem head on, with the easiest way out. unfortunately, this proves a end to himself. But, like most cancers, he learns in the end that it is no use to abondon responsibility and not expect the punishment in return. Another example that boromir is a cancer is what his brother states to Frodo and Sam. "And this I remember of Boromir as a boy, when we together learned the tale of our sires and of the history of our city, that always it displeased him that his father was not king." (Lord of the rings p.655)
Clearly, Boromir was well concerned about the welfare of his family and possibly the advancement of. Cancers are willing to go to the edge if need be to support their family, doing eveything possible to make sure that they are safe or happy. As of this Cancers are very motherly and supportive of their loved ones, their only goal being their families' love in return. With all of this in mind, it is easy to say that Boromir is a original Cancer. Devoted to family, country, tradition and the welfare of those who are dear to them.

This is the first part of the Water Trio essay. As it is analyzed, more adamptions will be made. This is were i let you the project members join in to discuss, analyze and add on whatever they deem appropriate. Later on we will re-write this as a whole with all additions or corections. Then we can discuss matters further and have a little fun as well.

~Ka~

P.S. This is only my opinion but, i believe this is just a really bad brainstorm. it needs other's input. Please come and help!

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by The Barrow-Wight

While we are waiting for the 'students', let's review Idea + Example = Better Topic (not Idea + Idea + Some More Ideas About The Idea). The thread creator should be the provider of examples that are the impetus for input from other members.

I read your post. Good job, but you and others surely mean Idea+Example+Confidence+Stamina+ a little bit of Intuition = Awsome Post?

okay. that was lame but, i always have to be prepared if someone doesn't like my dry humour or wit... Thanks for the post link anyway.

~Ka~

P.S. To answer your student inquirery, i gave them the option of doing homework. Thankful for me, this post will turn out great because of that. As for being in my teaching mode, i'm more easy than others. My teaching methods are easy for others. But, the results might vary. Who knows where this will lead to. Maybe we might have a novel or textbook.

[Encaitare]

Boromir undoubtly is a cancer

As a Cancer who has researched her sign quite thoroughly, I must beg to differ.

I know that the excellent example you gave was meant to be just that -- an example -- but it could definitely serve as a starting point.

When I first thought of what sign Boromir might have, the sign that immediately came into my head was Scorpio. This sign is ruled by Mars, the namesake of the god of war, and Pluto, which according to Astrologycom is "the planet of transformation." Astrologycom also says that as a fixed sign, it is "strong and solid." Boromir, a warrior, is indeed "strong and solid," and he does go through transformation-- albeit not until his death.

Boromir pre-Quest is a noble and highly respected man. "Scorpio governs will and authority." (Astrologycom). This would certainly be a necessary trait for someone who was more than likely to inherit the Stewardship of Gondor. Scorpios make good soldiers or sailors: they like discipline and respond to it, perhaps with a view to inflicting it themselves in due time. (The Compleat Astrologer). While I think that "inflicting" is too harsh a word, you can get the idea. Boromir is a leader; he's used to being in charge and having people listen to him.

When he arrives at the Council of Elrond and is "told off" a couple of times (about Aragorn's true identity, not being able to use the Ring), he's a bit put out because he doesn't have all the answers. He did, however, come to figure something out: the meaning behind the cryptic dream that he and Faramir had. "Keys to your success are a strong will and the ability to get to the bottom of things. You want answers and will doggedly persist until you get them." (Astrologycom). He did get his answers, even if he didn't like them all so much.

Scorpios are often jealous, and this jealousy combined with their determination is not a positive thing. This was seen when Boromir tried to seize the Ring from Frodo: he was convinced that he was right, and he thought that he could not be stopped. The Ring could only have served to amplify these traits.

The symbol for Scorpio is obviously the scorpion, a deadly creature not to be trifled with, hence Boromir's stamina and his ability to slay so many of the attacking Uruk-hai even as he was being shot. Yet the eagle is sometimes used for this sign as well, which would symbolize "the power also to rise above wordly diffculties, to soar away from any earthbound antagonism." (the Compleat Astrologer). Through giving up his life to defend Merry and Pippin, Boromir was able to "soar away" from the greed and negativity he had showed previously in trying to take the Ring, and redeem himself.

One reason I'm a bit skeptical about the idea of Boromir being a Cancer is that most Cancerians not only care about their families, but they want to start a family of their own. Boromir was always more interested in war and glory than settling down with a nice woman... perhaps Faramir would be the Cancer? I'd like to explore that idea a bit further, but alas, no time as of now.