LOTR Astrology Project (Introduction)

[THE Ka]

I was going to go on with the rest of the water sign essays but, i think i will hold off until we all can discuss them. I don't want to exclude anyone from this project, because i really don't like the idea of leaving anyone behind. So, just to prepare everyone, instead of reading about every other sign, read as much as you can about just Pisces. That is going to be the next sign in discussion. Also try to check out on astrologycom.com about relations... even if they are in the context of a "love" relationship, they still can show a lot of information that will be helpful. i would suggest just to stick with Pisces for now.

Hope this can help everyone.

~Ka~

[Elennar Starfire]

Here it is, all the info you can get from World Book Encylcopedia, condensed by 'Leny. (now you all don't have to go digging through all those encyclopedias for the seperate articles on each sign!)
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The Zodiac

Aries, The Ram: 22 March-19 April
Fire sign, ruled by Mars
Bold, courageous, determined, energetic, hot-tempered, impatient, strong, lose interest quickly in tasks that require much time, like excitement and variety.

Taurus, The Bull: 20 April-20 May
Earth sign, ruled by Venus
Affectionate, conservative, loyal, stubborn, patient, trustworthy, appreciate beauty, comfort, and nature, move slowly, may be lazy, finish what they begin, "down-to-earth", not talkative, hold grudges, even-tempered, but fierce when angered.

Gemini, The Twins: 21 May-20 June
Air sign, ruled by Mercury
Curious, lively, moody, restless, two-sided personality, sees both sides of an issue, change moods quickly, indecisive, talkative, witty, talents for communication and language.

Cancer, The Crab: 21 June-22 July
Water sign, ruled by the Moon
Artistic, emotional, home-loving, instinctive, patriotic, shy, intuitive, sensitive, put dreams over reality, can be hard to get along with, sometimes selfish, aware of public needs.

Leo, The Lion: 23 July-22 August
Fire sign, ruled by the Sun
Cheerful, colourful, generous, kind, proud, powerful, energetic, good leaders, enjoy being the center of attention.

Virgo, The Virgin: 23 August-22 September
Earth sign, ruled by Mercury
Careful, efficient, modest, practical, tidy, intelligent, often have an interest in health, find fault with things other people think unimportant, critical, rely on reason, work in the background, may seem unsympathetic.

Libra, The Scales: 23 September-22 October
Air sign, ruled by Venus
Companionable, diplomatic, friendly, intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, like balance and harmony, dislike conflict and sudden changes, good at patching up quarrels, indecisive, compromise easily, have an eye for beauty.

Scorpio, The Scorpion: 23 October-21 November
Water sign, ruled by Mars and Pluto
Aggressive, intense, moody, passionate, secretive, quick-tempered, often get respect rather than affection.

Sagittarius, The Archer: 22 November-21 December
Fire sign, ruled by Jupiter
Cheerful, enthusiastic, generous, outgoing, relaxed, warm, like to be surrounded by friends, have trouble following direction, spend money impulsively, thoughtful, fond of exploring ideas, good at far-sighted desicions, like change and travel, independent.

Capricorn, The Goat: 22 December-19 January
Earth sign, ruled by Saturn
Ambitious, cautious, dignified, patient, persistent, practical, don't have much of a sense of humour, enjoy challenge of difficult problems, don't rush into friendships, loyal, stubborn.

Aquarius, The Water Bearer: 20 January-18 February
Air sign, ruled by Saturn and Uranus
Curious, independent, modern, serious, open-minded, outgoing, don't respect tradition, logical and scientific, have many friends but are hard to get to know well, avoid close relationships, support social/political causes with great enthusiasm, enjoy shocking people with their behavior.

Pisces, The Fishes: 19 February-20 March
Water sign, ruled by Jupiter and Neptune
Emotional, friendly, imaginative, intelligent, sensitive, vague, ruled by emotions, talented, have trouble with practical problems, retreat from reality, have a keen awareness of other people's moods, have trouble commiting to long-term action, drift from one thing to another.

The Planets

Mercury-talkative and witty
Venus-beauty and love
Saturn-disciplined
Uranus-change and disturbance
Mars-force and violence
Pluto-secrecy
Jupiter-wise and friendly

The Houses

1st-appearance and personality
2nd-possessions
3rd-family relations
4th-parents
5th-children
6th-health
7th-friends and marriage
8th-death
9th-travel
10th-career
11th-ideals
12th-illness and sorrow
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Hope that's useful to someone. If Ka has any corrections, she's probably right. Oh, and the dates vary slightly depending on your source.

I would say Boromir is a Cancer, not a Scorpio. Cancers are "patriotic, aware of public needs, and sometimes selfish". Boromir rationalizes taking the ring as protecting the people of Gondor. He also wants the personal glory.

[THE Ka]

that's really good! The only thing you forgot was the planet neptune, which is okay, many sources sometimes do forget "the cosmic santa claus"...

i do kinda agree that Boromir is more of a Cancer, given that he's not very reserved like a Scorpio... which is one of the biggest points to reconize us. But, he does seem to later change into the beggings of one... but, could this be Sauron's or the Ring's effect on his mind/decisions? Sauron/Ring are some of the most obvious and clear seen Scorpio's who have chosen the easy road... in other words, dark scorpios. some words to describe dark scorpios are:

Ruthless

Destructive

Tribulation

Obsession

Disintegration

Submersion

Instinctive Force

these are all aspects or keywords to the negative expression of Pluto(dark side), the other side being Minerva (Light side)...
Sometimes these are not pointed out very clearly and confuse people, making them to believe that Pluto is just a planet of really bad things. This example is how Pluto works both negatively and positively.

"Coinciding with the discovery of Pluto was the famous kidnapping of the Lindberg baby. Pluto was given rulership over kidnapping. However, only those spiritually tuned in could see the Minerva aspect at work. Up until this time, there were no federal lawsthat were enforced against kidnapping. Throught that kidnapping, the legislature was able to get laws passed which henceforth would protect all children." (Astrology , a cosmic science. p.291)

As you can see, Pluto works by bringing issues up to the surface so they have to be confronted, not side-stepped like a crab. Another aspect we could say is that boromir is a Sun sign: Cancer, Moon sign: Scorpio. Both of which would explain him clearly. Your sun sign is your basic make-up. How you look, act, think, ect. You moon sign effects you also but, not as strongly. In other words, your moon sign is like spices on a ham. It's there but, not in the general view.
i hope i haven't confused every one now...

Once again good job by posting all the signs. Like i said before, maybe this will attract more BD's to come and join.

Good job to all. This is turning out very well.

[Encaitare]

Hmm... Scorpio as a moon sign? Perchance.

'How deep is your love?' With the Moon in Scorpio, depth, passion and intensity imbue your relationships. You are able to inspire others as you will not shirk in the face of unpleasant situations and can speak up for the underdog. You know no fear, and will not be put off by society's views when it comes to choosing who is in your life. But you keep many emotions under wraps, and others can be unaware of your true feelings until you let rip at the last straw. Time alone is important for you to process your feelings and come to terms with some of the injustices of the world. You are no lightweight ,superficial, social animal but you have a strong moral conscience. When tragedy hits, you are a survivor and will return scarred but ready to face life again. Your strong intuition and psychic abilities allow you to see below the surface. (Moon Signs in the Zodiac)

The last bit, "scarred but ready to face life again" certainly reminds me of Boromir's corruption and redemption. I feel that Boromir certainly must have some strong aspects of Scorpio at work within him; whether it's his sun sign or moon sign is open to interpretation.

Will be sure to research Pisces over the next couple of days.

[THE Ka]

Good source. I would also recommend Heaven Knows What also as a good sun/moon sign source (That's where i found out that sun sign: scorpio, moon sign: Pisces is suppositely the biggest rebel known to humankind... and some monkeys too )

Anyway, before i rant away this thread, i will give out homework (don't worry. i have to do it too! Plus, i don't expect a deadline just yet. When i have the essay done, then you can show what your made of, or the facinating-mind-blowing informatin that you've discovered). Homework is: Read and search for anything about Pisces. This next essay is going to be as two-sided and topsy turvy as Pisces themselves when it comes time for analysis. Remember, Pisces are mutuable signs. They change, and transform whenever they feel like it.

Also, we can still discuss Boromir's Sign Indecision Saga afterwards... i have no doubt that it going to haunt this thread. Also, whenever you feel like it (i'm not ordering you to, i don't feel like Sauron today ) invite some members who you think would be interested in this project. i don't feel i started this post very welcomely... So, you can blame me.

~Guru half-jack ka~

[THE Ka]

This one is liable to be interesting. Along with Bilbo and Frodo, Aragorn is the only person in LOTR who we are provided with a full birth date. Aragorn, by Tolkien's statement was born on March 1. So, this would make him a Pisces. There are many traits that Aragorn expresses well enough for us to clearly see that he is indeed, a Pisces without Tolkien's reference even though it will prove most helpful.

Part II

Aragorn was born under the sign of Pisces the compassionate, on March 1. The sun is in Pisces from February 21st to March 21st. One convincing keyfact, even though it is slight, is that Pisces rules the feet in the physical body. Aragorn, among his many aliases is called "Wingfoot" given to him by Eomer. Pisces is clearing up all the other odds and ends left over from the other signs. This is why sometimes Pisces is called "the dustpan of the zodiac". Also along with this is why Pisces seem so remote from the other signs. In Pisces, one fish swims downstream representing personality, while another swims upstream representing the soul. either the personalty captures the soul and is made servant, or likewise with the soul. This brings much suffering to Pisces in their life goals and choices. Questions like, "What is the meaning of life?" really do effect them on a daily basist. The spiritual motto for Pisces is "Serve or Suffer". Pisces are born with this choice, and in aragorn's case very important. Aragorn is faced much with the same choices of that of a Pisces individual. one of the most important choices for him to make is that of his inheritance. When Pisces first become aware of these choices, it is not un-common for them to become recluses. They see this as an tempary "escape" from life. The world is not their habitat, and the need to escape from it is very great. With this in mind, we can see why Aragorn was avoiding his inheritance, by becoming a ranger. Pisceans need to be alone and do need to retreat from contact with the world in order to retain an equalibrium. pisces are sometimes moody and introspective and hard to understand. They actually enjoy the idea of being "alien". Much to Frodo's annoyance this was true with Aragorn. Even though it may seem as if Aragorn was trying to avoid his destiny, he was eventually forced into it. Everything for renewal must go back to it's source. When Pisceans actually do step up to the plate (though through much perswasion and emotion), and connect with their inner source of their Being, they are capable of great achievements. When they do not though, the consiquences are greater than for any other sign. Luckly for Aragorn, this did not happen.

Pisceans suffer from an inferiority complex and a sense of unworthiness. They never feel that they do enough to meet their life goals or choices , so they often overwork. Eventually putting stress and strain on the physical body. After the death of Both Gandalf and Boromir, Aragorn seems to plunge into this "workalcholic escapism". Also, the fact that Gandalf left the leading role up to him, caused him to try his best over and over again. But, no one is perfect or closely perfect forever. This becomes apparent to Aragorn after Boromir and Frodo's conflict. Were aragorn tries his hardest to keep the company together, but fails.
"We shall all be scattered and lost, ' groaned aragorn. 'Boromir! i do not know what part you have played in this mischief, but help me now!"(lord of the Rings, p.395)
and yet again, poor Aragorn is lost in everyone's confusion...
"Wait a moment!' cried Aragorn. 'We must divide up into pairs, and arrange! -- here, hold on! Wait!' " (Lord of the Rings, p.395)

Now, to some, it would seem that Aragorn would feel like biting Boromir's head off at this moment but, under that anger is the divine rule of Pisces. Compassion. In the end, Aragorn know's of Boromir's struggles and how hard he tried to redeem himself. That is why at Boromir's end, we see Aragorn reach such a level of compassion, that it seems almost alien.

Another very interesting aspect of Pisces is that they have a deeply hidden inner pride. Assail it at your peril. Aragorn shows this on his own (at the council it is others who glorify him. much to his annoyance and shame.) when passing Argonath. Frodo notices the almost unexistant pride of aragorn come forth, and how even Boromir had shut up about this.

But, in the end, there is one rule that aragorn eventually came forth to. The only true freedom for Pisces comes through spiritual orientation. When they are true to their real nature, Pisceans have a high and holy destiny and are the true savoius and servants of mankind. They have a great sense of compassion and sacrifice themselves in utter devotion for the redemption of the world. Thus coins the quote, "There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his." (Helen Keller, Story of My Life)

Another trend we see among Aragorn is a love of music and a luck of being a gifted healer. "Pisceans have a deep love of music and are fine musicians themselves when they pursue music as a life work. They make wonderful doctors and in any area of the medical fiels do excellent work." (Astrology, a Cosmic Science. Isabel M. Hikey. p.28) In the houses of healing, he brings Faramir back to a state of conciousness. "King! Did you hear that? What did I say? The hands of a healer, I said." (Lord of the Rings, p.848 that really talkative nurse, Ioreth.)

i hope this intigues you to explore or express your knowledge about this essay. I am hoping to see alot of editing, I feel that this essay is unfinished at the time being.

Go ahead! Feel free to express questions, points, and concern.

~Ka~

[The Barrow-Wight]

I don't know anything about astrology, but I know a bit about the calendars used by Hobbits and how they relate to our current calendar. When Tolkien said 1 March, he meant the first day of the third month of the Hobbit calendar (Rethe), which coincides with the 22nd of February on our modern Gregorian calendar. This still places him within the bounds of our current understanding of Pisces (19 Feb - 20 Mar), but only by a few days.

Likewise, Frodo and Bilbo shared the birthday of 22 Sep (22nd day of the 9th month), which corresponds to 14 Sep on our calendar. This would put the two hobbits firmly within the sign of Virgo (8/23 - 9/22) instead of right on the last day of being a Libra.

My question is, "Do birthdates that fall near the border of two signs share some characteristics of both signs (in Aragorn's case, mostly Pisces but a bit of Aquarius), or do the dates of a sign strictly confine a person to that sign?"