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Old 01-09-2005, 07:21 AM   #1
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Hobbits- I have no idea who they worship, if indeed they worship anyone at all.
We all know that they worshipped Old Toby...where would they be without those pipe-weeds?

The best example about what the Elves thought about Eru and the Valar appears in HoME X: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth. Finrod regards Eru with holiness, rebuking Andreth if she even mentions that Morgoth may be the Lord. The Valar he regards as greater beings than himself who must be revered, but not worshipped.
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Old 01-09-2005, 08:20 AM   #2
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We all know that they worshipped Old Toby...where would they be without those pipe-weeds?


Thanks! So different people worshipped different things, with Iluvatar being the main god. Did Tolkien ever explain his reasoning for polytheism, because as a Christian wouldn't he have been against it?
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Old 01-09-2005, 08:31 AM   #3
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The fact that different people worship different things doesn't necessarily make for a polytheistic doctrine - objects or people can be worshipped though they are not worthy of it. All evidence I have seen in Tolkien's writings is monotheistic - the Ainur are 'holy' in the sense that the Bible calls Christians 'holy' - dedicated to God. Eru alone is Creator, all others are sub-creators; though the ignorance of Men may call the Ainur "gods", they are definitely conceived of as angelic beings.
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Old 01-09-2005, 08:35 AM   #4
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Hobbits- I have no idea who they worship, if indeed they worship anyone at all.
Its interesting to speculate on Hobbit beliefs - in the light of, for instance, statements like Sam's:

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'Lor bless you, Mr. Gandalf, sir!' said Sam. 'Nothing! Leastways I was just trimming the grass-border under the window, if you follow me.' He
picked up his shears and exhibited them as evidence.
Or Merry's use of the word 'Lawks' in the house at Crickhollow....
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Old 02-06-2005, 10:59 AM   #5
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There is no evidence of any kind of churches or religious areas in the Shire is there? (Besides the taverns)

And what about the Gondorians? Because they are descended from the Numenoreans so it would make sense for them to worship Iluvatar, but they also forgot their history, except for the special few, historians, kings etc.

Or also the Rohirrim, because they are men, they would've worshipped someone right? In theoden's death scene he says,
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Grieve not! It is forgiven. Great heart will not be denied. LIVE NOW IN BLESSEDNESS; and when you sit in peace with your pipe, think of me!
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Eowyn, how come you here? What madness or DEVILRY is this?
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Old 02-06-2005, 11:08 AM   #6
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Although I'm not sure about the worship practices of the people of Rohan, they did recognize one of the Valar above the others: Oromë, whom they called Béma. I quote The Encyclopedia of Arda (grand site that it is):

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The name used by the Northmen for the Vala the Elves called Oromë. As the great huntsman and horseman of the Valar, he and his steed Nahar were known to the horse-loving people of Rohan, who claimed that their great horses the mearas had ancestors brought out of the West by Béma himself.

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