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Boromir88 · 01-22-2005, 03:40 PM

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Read the book, this introduction is just gold.

If you look at my post #5, I said that is one of the dissapointments in the movies. I love when Eomer in this part. He sees the corsair ships, and begins to lose all hope, then the White Tree goes up. Oh, and when they meet in the midst of battle, "Let this be the hour when we draw swords together," is indeed gold. Even with the way done in the movies, the overuse of the green slime, I don't see how this takes away from all the other great moments that I listed...

Theoden's pep talks.
Eowyn vs. the WK.
Eomer finding Eowyn on the battlefield.
Eowyn fighting fiercely next to Theoden.
Theoden's words to Eowyn (I explain why I like this in post 5 as well).
I think another thing worth mentioning is the sequences on Pelennor between Merry and Eowyn.

So much great stuff in this scene. I agree with Tuor that the green slime does take away from Rohan even being there, but I don't think it lessens any part of the emotional scenes in this part of the movie.

Consider this point as well. If Rohan hadn't of arrived Aragorn wouldn't have gotten to the city in time to save it. Sauron's hordes are on what the 5th level? About to break through again with only a few Gondorian soldiers left with Gandalf and Pippin. Rohan arrives, clears the outside of orcs, then haults the Haradrim, so you can't just take out Rohan or Aragorn wouldn't have arrived in time.

I think any part after Theoden's death (excluding Gothmog's chase which was just absolutely ridiculous) was done bad. Especially the arrival of Aragorn and the green slime, that whole sequence and Legolas' Mumakil stunt. However, any part before that was I think done great, which is most of Pelennor fields.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-22-2005, 04:08 PM

The climax was not delivered, though. I agree that the fighting was good and I enjoyed the parts with Theoden and Eowyn. I especially loved the fight with the Witch King (although I wish Merry could have had more than 4 nanoseconds to do his bit).

I do think that the emotional involvement would have been astronomical had they followed the footsteps of Eomer through from the death of Theoden to the sight of Aragorn; incorporating the sense of hopelessness that we had in the book after Theoden passed away, and the utter joy felt by those in Gondor at the return of the King.

There was not even a gap between the two central events I describe here. Aragorn arrives at the same time as Eowyn is battling Witchy! There is no chance for despair.

Boromir88 · 01-22-2005, 04:18 PM

Very good points, and the whole fighting even after Aragorn's arrival I thought was bad. I too would have loved to see more through Eomer's eyes, when the corsairs arrive, the way it is in the book with Eomer first it describes his despair at seeing the black sails, then he gathers up his courage, blows the horns, and rallies his men, to await what he thinks are the corsairs. Then out pops the White Tree, very powerful stuff, it is a pity we miss it.

One small comment. When Aragorn is in front of Minas Tirith with the dead army, telling them they are now "uncursed," the Rohirrim aren't around at all. I think they took Theoden's death speech a little too seriously

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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-22-2005, 04:21 PM

Or how Gimli still manages to crack a joke when faced with an army of hideous ghouls. Strange.

Nimrodel_9 · 01-23-2005, 03:38 PM

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Or how Gimli still manages to crack a joke when faced with an army of hideous ghouls. Strange.

You know, that kind of bothered me. Yeah, in Helm`s Deep they were making a game out of killing the orcs, but this is different. The Battle of the Pelennor Fields was much bigger than Helm`s Deep. I can see that PJ wanted to add humor to the movie,but... I don't know.

I can see where you are coming from Eomer. They did not build up the emotion and tragedy of it all in the movie. Yes, Theoden's death scene was rather sad, but personally, I think it would have been better if it had been more... what's the word... tragic, I guess. I admit that I enjoy the dark part of movies.

Nim

Assasin · 01-23-2005, 07:10 PM

I think the counting thing was funny. Even if it was totally unreal. NOBODY I mean, NOBODY would make a game out of an army they couldn't even see. (Referring to Gimli.) No matter how weird and unliteral, it was still funny.

And also, you'd think that at least one of the head haunches would die, for instance, Eomer, or Gimli, or Eowyn. I wonder who the most obsessed person with LOTR is.

Turin · 01-24-2005, 03:34 AM

There was too much of an over-reliance on CGI during the battle IMO that failed to capture much of the humanistic elements already commented upon.

01-22-2005, 04:08 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The climax was not delivered, though. I agree that the fighting was good and I enjoyed the parts with Theoden and Eowyn. I especially loved the fight with the Witch King (although I wish Merry could have had more than 4 nanoseconds to do his bit). I do think that the emotional involvement would have been astronomical had they followed the footsteps of Eomer through from the death of Theoden to the sight of Aragorn; incorporating the sense of hopelessness that we had in the book after Theoden passed away, and the utter joy felt by those in Gondor at the return of the King. There was not even a gap between the two central events I describe here. Aragorn arrives at the same time as Eowyn is battling Witchy! There is no chance for despair. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-22-2005, 04:21 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Or how Gimli still manages to crack a joke when faced with an army of hideous ghouls. Strange. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-24-2005, 03:34 AM	#7
Turin Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 37	There was too much of an over-reliance on CGI during the battle IMO that failed to capture much of the humanistic elements already commented upon. __________________ Master of Doom!!!

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01-22-2005, 04:18 PM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Very good points, and the whole fighting even after Aragorn's arrival I thought was bad. I too would have loved to see more through Eomer's eyes, when the corsairs arrive, the way it is in the book with Eomer first it describes his despair at seeing the black sails, then he gathers up his courage, blows the horns, and rallies his men, to await what he thinks are the corsairs. Then out pops the White Tree, very powerful stuff, it is a pity we miss it. One small comment. When Aragorn is in front of Minas Tirith with the dead army, telling them they are now "uncursed," the Rohirrim aren't around at all. I think they took Theoden's death speech a little too seriously .

01-23-2005, 07:10 PM	#6
Assasin Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a desert. Posts: 142	I think the counting thing was funny. Even if it was totally unreal. NOBODY I mean, NOBODY would make a game out of an army they couldn't even see. (Referring to Gimli.) No matter how weird and unliteral, it was still funny. And also, you'd think that at least one of the head haunches would die, for instance, Eomer, or Gimli, or Eowyn. I wonder who the most obsessed person with LOTR is.